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| quote: | Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef
Bias because you don't agree with the facts that honest reporting brings up or bias because you dont agree with the stand for Israel one takes? Your 17 year old brain obviously doesn't know what hate is if you attribute hate to Honestreporting.com - check the site before you make false accusations. |
Thankyou for that Argumentum ad hominem.
You've also completely ignored my point. Nobody reads the articles you post. Quite frankly, I think most people are sick and tired of the stupid biased, racist and xenophobic propaganda that you enjoy posting. You aren't achieving anything by doing the old copy-paste.
Your insistence that Israel is the only party at fault is also somewhat disturbing. Do you deny that Israel kills innocent Palestinian civilians, unnecessarily bulldozes civilians homes, and generally inflames the situation by setting up Jewish settlements? Both parties are at fault, Israel is no saint.
Again, stop spamming old threads with a plethora of biased articles. Actually make an effort to civilly discuss the issues at hand, and if you feel an article is relevant, post a link to it. Stop behaving like an immature twit.
| quote: | | I've participated in my fair share of debates over the years here on TA's Political Forum... dont be fooled by the date of registration on this account. I'm sure i have some old "friends" who can attest to my involvement on this board. |
If you are who tathi says you are, it's a wonder you aren't banned again, as you damn well should be. |
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| melech_mike never gives up:p |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
artic this incognito fool is actually melech_mike / arafuct. |
Hehe, I never even looked at ilan's posts as I kinda grew tired of the israel/palestine threads, but now that I checked them out it's obvious this is mike. You never give up, do you? |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
CBC Website: In-Depth and One-Sided
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s website provides a wealth of background information on issues of interest to Canadians. For the sake of brevity, these backgrounders compress a great deal of information into concise packages. However they are still obligated, in the CBC’s own words, “to be fair, accurate, thorough, comprehensive and balanced in their presentation of information.”
The CBC’s special IN DEPTH section on the Middle East is a collection of documents dedicated to Israel and the Palestinians. With the look and feel of an educational primer, it contains background materials including descriptions of key issues, biographies of key players, links to archived news stories, and a quiz to “test your knowledge.”
One might expect that in approaching the controversial topic of the Middle East, the CBC would carefully avoid giving even the slightest impression of taking sides. It is all the more surprising, then, to discover that in the very first sentence on its Middle East homepage, the CBC introduces Canadians to a decidedly one-sided version of history:
“Since May of 1948 when the modern state of Israel was proclaimed, the land has had two parallel histories, one for the Jews who control the state and one for the Palestinians whose homeland the nation was built on.”
The CBC thus introduces the topic as a power dynamic, in which Israelis have all the power and Palestinians are a victimized people dispossessed of their land. In this CBC version of events, the Palestinians are the obvious owners of the land on which the Jews run the show.
This is, of course, inconsistent with historical fact. Leaving aside the Jews’ lengthy history in the land and the fact that prior to the 20th century they were alone in referring to Israel/Palestine as their “homeland,” it is worth pointing out that the majority of territory on which the modern state of Israel was declared had in fact been public land administered by the British Mandatory authorities, and an additional 10 percent was owned outright by Jewish individuals or organizations.
CBC continues its introduction by asserting that
“Statehood for Israel left over 700,000 Palestinians as refugees.”
This one-sided formulation ignores the fact that just as Arabs became refugees, an equal number of Jews became refugees from Arab lands. It also ignores Israel’s role in absorbing the dispossessed Middle Eastern Jews, while nearly two dozen Arab states offered no comparable support to their Arab brethren.
CBC’s narrative continues:
“For every day of the fifty years of its existence, Israel has been on war footing, fearing the aggressive hostility of its neighbours and spending staggering amounts of its energy and economy on defense. For every day of the same fifty years the displaced Palestinians and their Arab supporters have worked, often with great violence, to recover land for a Palestinian state.”
Conveniently glossed over in this summary is the fact that Arab efforts “to recover land for a Palestinian state” consisted of attempts to outright destroy the state of Israel.
For example, on the day Israel declared its independence in 1948, as five Arab armies attacked Israel, the Secretary General of the Arab League declared, “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.” Prior to the 1967 Middle East war, President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq declared, “The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map.”
Similarly, the PLO charter and the Hamas charter clearly identify the state of Israel as an illegitimate entity that must be eliminated. And throughout multiple wars and decades of Arab terror against Israel, the avowed objective has been the destruction of the Jewish state.
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In future media alerts, HonestReporting Canada will present additional analyses of the CBC website's Middle East section. For example, in its “History of the Mideast” backgrounder, the CBC tells Canadians that
“In December of 1987, the Palestinians in Gaza, followed immediately by those in the West Bank, erupted with four decades of anguish and anger. The Intifada, the spontaneous uprising of a people with nothing to lose, had begun… Over the next several years hundreds of Palestinians were killed and thousands more put into detention camps.”
The CBC omits the fact that almost 200 Israelis were killed during this period and more than a thousand were injured. And by leaving out the fact that a third of the Palestinians who died during this period were killed by their fellow Palestinians in what became known as the “intrafada,” the CBC gives its readers the false impression that Israel was solely responsible for all of the Palestinian fatalities.
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
Goodbye Rantisi, shame on you CNN
> > By Howard Galganov April 20, 2004
> >
> >
> > Breaking News - Abdel Aziz Rantisi "was" a clairvoyant with the
> >ability to foresee the future.
> >
> > Almost immediately after the assassination of Sheik Yassin,
> >Rantisi's predecessor, Rantisi stated for all to hear:
> >
> > "The Israelis opened the gates of hell. And blood will flow in the
> >streets."
> >
> > Rantisi was right. But what he didn't foresee, was that it was
going
> >to be his blood, and his one way voyage to perdition through those open
> >gates on April 17, 2004.
> >
> > Minutes after it happened, news networks worldwide were putting
> >their spin on the event. But CNN's on-air personality, Frederica
Whitfield
> >has to take the cake.
> >
> > It's too bad that great looks (she's very attractive) trumps
> >journalistic integrity.
> >
> > In her interview with Israeli Foreign Affairs spokesman, Gideon
Meir
> >(3:20pm Eastern Time), Whitfield asked if this attack on Rantisi was in
> >retaliation to the suicide bombing (murder) a short time before at the
Erez
> >border crossing between Gaza and Israel?
> >
> > Meir said clearly:
> >
> > This is no retaliation. It was a prepared attack waiting for the
> >best opportunity.
> >
> > Again, Whitfield asked about Israeli retaliation attacks. Again,
> >Meir said there are no retaliation attacks. Israel - Meir said, is at war
> >with TERRORISTS, and has a strategy that it is following.
> >
> > Israel will attack TERRORIST leaders whenever Israel has the
> >opportunity to do so with the best chance not to kill or wound innocent
> >civilians. In the case of Rantisi, the opportunity presented itself, and
> >Israel took it.
> >
> > Again Whitfield came back to retaliation: and again, Meir said
> >Israel does not have the time to retaliate. This is not our strategy.
> >
> > Whitfield then asked Gideon Meir if the attack on Rantisi was the
> >result of a Green Light given to Ariel Sharon from George Bush?
> >
> > Once again, Meir's response was crystal clear:
> >
> > Israel is a sovereign country that makes its own decisions in
terms
> >of how it defends itself. Israel does not go to the United States to ask
> >permission in order to act. Just like the United States does not seek
> >permission from others to defend itself.
> >
> > The moment after Frederica Whitfield thanked Gideon Meir, and he
was
> >off-air, the first words out of her mouth were:
> >
> > "AS YOU HEARD - THIS IS RETALIATION..."
> >
> > Meir said no such thing. TO THE CONTRARY. He insisted at least
three
> >times during their discussion that there is no retaliation policy from
the
> >State of Israel for acts of Arab TERRORISM.
> >
> > WAS SHE DEAF?
> >
> > And to add fuel to the flames of her outright lie concerning
> >retaliation, she included that Israel got the Green Light from George W
> >Bush.
> >
> > Talk about yellow journalism.
> >
> > Doesn't CNN promote itself as the MOST TRUSTED NEWS STATION or
> >something like it? If they're the most trusted, God help us.
> >
> > The spin from all the news networks I've seen, is that this
> >assassination is just going to exacerbate the "cycle" of violence. Sure,
> >just like standing up to Adolf Hitler made things worse for humanity.
> >
> > Contrary to anti-Israel and Lefty thoughts, the only way to deal
> >with thugs, murderers, and TERRORISTS is to kill them all, especially the
> >bastards at the top. Once they're gone the problem goes with them. And if
> >not, where is Israel any further behind?
> >
> > Who would hesitate to kill Osama Bin Laden?
> >
> > I am absolutely convinced that the Palestinians will never have a
> >normal society. It's just not in their nature. But that's their business
> >and their problem.
> >
> > If security from endemic state sponsored mass murder takes the
> >assassination of one Rantisi, or hundreds of Rantisis - so be it.
> >Eventually, the Palestinians will either get the message or run out of
> >Rantisis.
> >
> > Killing Rantisi was a step forward not backward. Killing more
> >Rantisis will also be steps forward. Doing nothing, while the world
expects
> >Israel to negotiate with liars, thieves, cheats, thugs and murderers is
not
> >an option.
> >
> > Maybe to CNN, the Lefties, and the anti-Semites, negotiation with
> >thugs is an option. But it sure isn't to innocent people who want to
> >survive in the face of murderers.
> > Views expressed by the author do not necessarily reflect those of
> >israelinsider.
> >
> >
> >
> > Howard Galganov manages the Promar Media Group, an advertising agency
> >that specializes in the hospitality industry. He was the host of a
popular
> >Montreal radio talk show and a cofounder of the Quebec Political Action
> >Committee (QPAC) that promoted equal citizenship for Quebec's minorities. |
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| skoubidou |
hey,
having lived in lebanon during the war, i can understand the tradgedy of losing loved ones suddenly and irreversibly. nobody (sane) is condoning that - not even i, your despised 'enemy'. What i do condone is getting to the root of the issue which is existential and for most of the conflict's history, a real-estate one.
now that sharon's getting his way with the gaza disengagement plan (and continued settlement activity on the west bank), i really believe that we will soon see one country - perhaps federated - with a jewish and arab character. sharon's vision of a palestine is just way too constrictive for any viable state to exist.
the concession of the palestinians will be their homes lost in the 1948 war and a country of essentially homogeneous arabs (jewish or otherwise). the concession of the jews will be two nations under god and instead one nation under adonai. a federal-system will help alleviate this cultural tension.
but for what it's worth, killing innocent people, of any relgiion, is wrong. AP is guilty of bias as is FoxNews, CNN, or any other news agency. At the end of the day, Israel is winning the media campaign. so instead of complainig about bias, we should deal with the issue.
hopefully this is the final word on the threat.
shalom ;) |
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| skoubidou |
i meant *thread*.
| quote: | Originally posted by skoubidou
hopefully this is the final word on the threat.
shalom ;) |
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| tathi |
you're wasting your breath in this thread on dj_ilian_yosef, his a racist moron.
btw, your post reads too neutral and friendly for it to be in this forum :haha: |
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| St_Andrew |
welcome to the forum skoubidou :)
unfortunally, you will never be able to change ilians opinions he is a biased racist idiot, but you had some interesting points :)
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
you're wasting your breath in this thread on dj_ilian_yosef, his a racist moron.
btw, your post reads too neutral and friendly for it to be in this forum :haha: |
haha, so true, very soon he will take the more extreame point of view and also he will be much more mad :p gotta love this forum :) |
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| Philly |
" If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."
-Joseph Gobels(Hitler's Public relations and Communications man)
Maybe there wouldn't be so much misunderstandings if some of you ignorant "TA'S" actually research and not believe the dirty lies that so many Jew Hating Arabs and Anti Semite's spew at you and the media. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philly
Maybe there wouldn't be so much misunderstandings if some of you ignorant "TA'S" actually research and not believe the dirty lies that so many Jew Hating Arabs and Anti Semite's spew at you and the media. |
what exactly are the lies you are refering to? |
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| skoubidou |
you know, although i care deeply about this subject, when a discussion loses focus, it's best to cut your losses (of time) and move on.
Who here can help me get an archived copy of Sasha in Beirut?? |
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