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| drizzt81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
And the entire mainstream media neglected to mention Corrie's
anti-American activities and flag-burning. |
and as Mr. Bush told us many times "Anybody who is not with us is against us" and a member of the "Axis of Evil".
I am sorry, but I think there is no black and white in the Israel conflict anymore. I still think of the day that Rabin was shot. Back then I did not realize how tragic that event was. Now, I understand how much of an impact it had to the entire region. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
Why the anti-Jewish hate:
The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland.
jealousy is an evil thing. |
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| drizzt81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Why the anti-Jewish hate:
The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland.
jealousy is an evil thing. |
what a 'qualified' statement. I think I have read similar things before. In Third Reich propaganda.
Can we stop putting a huge group of people (religion, nationality, race, whatnot) in one pot? |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
ok. We have two organizations, who are both 'reasonably' well respected in the western world. Who is right or wrong I cannot determine, due to my lack of military knowledge.
You _ASSUME_ that the CNN is correct, and AP is not. WHY?
Have you thought that there is a possibility that the CNN is pursuing their own agenda, which may be to foster the war in Israel? I mean to me, there is little evidence, that AP has to be wrong. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle between the two news reporting agencies? Is there a chance that these missles, for example, could be used in a destructive way, but that compared to the high-tech arsenal, that the Israelis have, it is rather primitive? |
Why don’t you go out and do your own research on the Qussam 2 rockets.
AP tries to maker it look like those rockets couldn't harm a fly. Yet those rockets are enough to kill thousands if filled with unconventional weapons. Even with conventional weapons. Would you ever consider a rocket packed with explosives headed towards cities in your country to be irrelevant??? Would you downplay they're immediate danger and try to eliminate it, or would you foster these homicidal attempts by those who have vowed many years ago to extinguish your people’s total existence. |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Why the anti-Jewish hate:
The Isreali's turned the desert into a jewel. The Arabs turned the desert into a wasteland.
jealousy is an evil thing. |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
what a 'qualified' statement. I think I have read similar things before. In Third Reich propaganda.
Can we stop putting a huge group of people (religion, nationality, race, whatnot) in one pot? |
It's a highly qualified statement dealing with a factor of psychology as to why there is so much hate towards the country of Israel.
I would hardly compare FuzzyGreen's comments to those of the Third Reich. There is no propaganda in FuzzyGreen's comment what-so-ever.
He could have put things more politically correct, by saying that the Arab leadership turned the desert into a wasteland. It's not regular Arab citizen's fault that they're own governments make them live like pigs while they pocket money that’s meant to go to infrastructure and the total development of they're country. |
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| melech_mike |
"RACHEL CORRIE, CONTINUED"
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The circumstances of American college student Rachel Corrie's March 16 death beneath an IDF bulldozer in Gaza remain unclear. The key unanswered question: Was Corrie visible and/or audible to the IDF driver just before the accident?
The consumer public got a huge dose of misleading information when
Associated Press distributed a photo showing Corrie, standing in
(apparently) direct view of the bulldozer driver, dressed in orange and speaking into a megaphone in the direction of the oncoming vehicle.
The AP caption reads: "Rachel was run over Sunday by the bulldozer that she was trying to stop from tearing down a building in the Rafah refugee camp, witnesses said."
See the AP photo at:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/362.asp
The problem with the AP photo caption is that readers are led to believe that this photo depicts the very scene and moment of the accident. The implication is criminal recklessness on the part of the IDF driver.
In fact, however, this photo was NOT taken in the moments before Corrie's death. Joseph Smith, of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement, was the photographer and wrote a chronological account of the incident (published on pro-Palestinian websites).
Smith says that the photo of Corrie "standing with megaphone" is ascribed to the time period 2pm-4pm. In addition, during this period, Smith notes that the bulldozer "always stopped in time to avoid injuring them."
At the time of Corrie's death (5pm), Smith describes Corrie as "sitting, with arms waving" (no megaphone), and another colleague holding the megaphone from a distance.
Read Smith's account at:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1284.shtml
Thus, the AP photo and caption fails to note the two most essential
factors in determining visibility or lack thereof: 1) Corrie was no longer standing, but had changed to a sitting position, and 2) she was no longer in possession of attention-grabbing megaphone.
When publishing such a photo, AP is obligated to explain details of
chronology; in the absence of any information, readers presume that since the bulldozer appears 8-10 feet away from Corrie, the photographer must have snapped the picture moments before the bulldozer hit her.
This photo was published by many of the 15,000 media outlets that AP
services. And though the accompanying articles may provide clarifying
information, a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, by not providing a caption that clearly counterbalances the easy "misread," AP has misrepresented Corrie's death and contributed to a worldwide slander of the IDF.
Please send comments to AP:
[email protected][/email]
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Meanwhile, CNN.com juxtaposed a pair of "before and after" photos, which implied a particularly ambiguous sense of chronology. But when
HonestReporting.com provided additional information, CNN issued a "Caption Clarification." See it at:
http://cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/...eath/index.html
HonestReporting encourages members to monitor your local media to see if they used the misleading photos, as well as what information was provided in the photo caption and/or article itself to counterbalance any misconceptions.
---- GHANDI AND KING? ----
Meanwhile, the Toledo (Ohio) Blade published an editorial that compares Corrie with none less than Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.
Did Corrie truly continue the legacy of Ghandi and King?
As noted in the previous HonestReporting communique, Corrie was
photographed last month burning an American flag in Gaza before young
schoolchildren (http://honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg).
One wonders if the two true giants of human rights struggle would be
flattered by the comparison with the woman who appears in these photos.
Read the Toledo Blade editorial at:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2003103190095
Comments to the Managing Editor, Kurt Franck:
[email][email protected] |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
Melech is a racist end of story
everything he says should be deemed uncredible due to the intent on what he is trying to prove. HE is simply using the tactic to enrage arabs to make his point clear
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Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!! |
EQUALITY
buddy have you heard of this?.. I would think that since you are Israeli you would be all for it.. after all jewish people were targeted by hitler. You are imposing the same motive as hitler did on the jews. Is it vengance on your mind or what?.. snap out of it man..
its about who you are as a PERSON not where your from
PEOPLE = PEOPLE
JEWS = ARABS
and so forth and so forth
so
do yourself a favor
and STFU... im sure many people will agree that racism is intolerable |
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Analysis: Ze'ev Schiff on lessons from a crowded
marketplace
By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent
The incident in which two guided missiles hit a crowded marketplace in Baghdad should make it easier for the Americans, particularly the military experts among them, to better understand what happened during the heavy fighting in which the Israel Defense Forces was involved in the Jenin refugee camp almost a year ago. This holds particularly true with respect to the American general who was supposed to head the UN committee looking into the Jenin battle and who said that Israel had committed war crimes there, even though he had not visited the site to investigate the battle.
What happened Wednesday in the Baghdad marketplace was not surprising; it was predictable. It happened a few times during the war in Afghanistan too. The most sophisticated and precise weapons or bombs can sometimes miss their targets, or be even slightly off-target, as can the military intelligence based on which they are launched. Moreover, as we have learned from Israel's wars, it is not always possible to know if there will be civilians close to the target.
Israel lost 23 men in the Jenin refugee camp battle. It is possible that fewer IDF soldiers would have died had they been allowed to open fire indiscriminately. The proposal at the time to drop a guided bomb from a gunship was ruled out, partly due to expectations of American criticism.
The lessons to be learned from Wednesday's incident in Baghdad are particularly important for the British media, which, to this day, have not retracted vociferous charges of a massacre on the part of the IDF in Jenin.
This type of incident is likely to repeat itself if the battle for Baghdad widens in scope. If American troops enter residential areas of Baghdad, their losses will likewise increase. This is war, and this is the price of war; but small nations like Israel have to be more cautious than great powers.
The most obvious enemy for the coalition forces in Iraq over the past few days has been the stormy weather. It has held up the Americans' progress toward the Iraqi capital, and the Iraqis were quick to utilize it to their advantage.
After realizing that the dust storms would make it difficult for the Americans to send their aircraft into the skies, the Iraqis began a counter-offensive near Najaf. True, the attack got them nowhere, but it proved that they have not yet capitulated. They will no doubt seek out further local military initiatives that will bring the world's cameras to the scene - whether to show another few American POWs, or fragments from a helicopter, or a drone that has been brought down.
Clearly, the Iraqis made prolonged preparations for the war. Proof of this is that they are able to quickly restart TV broadcasts that are knocked out, or major communications systems that are hit. The assumption is that they succeeded in laying down communications systems based on optic fibers in strategic places. Such a system is not easily disrupted as its components are buried deep underground.
All of this can merely serve to delay the ultimate defeat of the Iraqi forces, but it cannot prevent it.
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| melech_mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Melech is a racist end of story
everything he says should be deemed uncredible due to the intent on what he is trying to prove. HE is simply using the tactic to enrage arabs to make his point clear |
The racism remarks in all your messages directed towards me will not be addressed as i deem it to be a cheap slanderous remark aimed at defaming my character.
What are my intentions?
I am here not to "prove" anything, although sometimes it may be warrented.
I am here to educate those who i feel are misinformed.
I am here to voice my opinion as a citizen of a free society.
My views, beliefs, and opinions are no less valid than yours.
I havent seen you around here before so i dont know where you stand on a few major issues that will paint a clearer picture of who you are.
I will not address the rest of your post. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by melech_mike
The racism remarks in all your messages directed towards me will not be addressed as i deem it to be a cheap slanderous remark aimed at defaming my character.
What are my intentions?
I am here not to "prove" anything, although sometimes it may be warrented.
I am here to educate those who i feel are misinformed.
I am here to voice my opinion as a citizen of a free society.
My views, beliefs, and opinions are no less valid than yours.
I havent seen you around here before so i dont know where you stand on a few major issues that will paint a clearer picture of who you are.
I will not address the rest of your post. |
why dont you ask me and ill tell you? im not making any racist comments what so ever.. you are the one that is making them
i am saying that all people are equal while you are trying to prove your thesis that all arabs are evil
i ask you again.. what do you wish to accomplish by digging up old facts and spreading propoganda.
i have not once mentioned an article about Israeli soldiers killing innocent palestinians.. or vice versa.. since im about solutions that deal with all people as equals.
YOUR opinions ARE FAR LESS valid then mine because you only look at the story from one direction.. answer Me this.. where is the other side to the story? and stop spreading propoganda.. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | | Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!! |
this is an empty statement
just a plane racist generalization
you should appologize for this |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
why dont you ask me and ill tell you? im not making any racist comments what so ever.. you are the one that is making them
i am saying that all people are equal while you are trying to prove your thesis that all arabs are evil
i ask you again.. what do you wish to accomplish by digging up old facts and spreading propoganda.
i have not once mentioned an article about Israeli soldiers killing innocent palestinians.. or vice versa.. since im about solutions that deal with all people as equals.
YOUR opinions ARE FAR LESS valid then mine because you only look at the story from one direction.. answer Me this.. where is the other side to the story? and stop spreading propoganda.. |
;) Damn right! |
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