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DJ Tiësto - Nyana (pg. 9)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Pio...I read your posts on Tiesto.com...whatever, you can have an opinion of course, but I think you're in the minority on this one.
If Tiesto is all about contrasts....why do his Magik and ISOS series flow perfectly? He's only about "contrasts" recently and I find it to be a bit jarring. ....anybody can throw some techno down and then mix trance into it and throw in some housier songs too. Most of don't want contrasts.....we want a set or mix to BUILD either one way or the other....kinda like the Magiks do. Magik 6 is a perfect example of building....it builds for the first 8 tracks, slows down for a bit, then comes crashing in to the home stretch with Cloudwalking. THAT is an example of a perfectly mixed CD, not Nyana.
Anyway, I still like Nyana....but Tiesto has done MUCH better mix compilations in the past. |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Pio...I read your posts on Tiesto.com...whatever, you can have an opinion of course, but I think you're in the minority on this one.
If Tiesto is all about contrasts....why do his Magik and ISOS series flow perfectly? He's only about "contrasts" recently and I find it to be a bit jarring. ....anybody can throw some techno down and then mix trance into it and throw in some housier songs too. Most of don't want contrasts.....we want a set or mix to BUILD either one way or the other....kinda like the Magiks do. Magik 6 is a perfect example of building....it builds for the first 8 tracks, slows down for a bit, then comes crashing in to the home stretch with Cloudwalking. THAT is an example of a perfectly mixed CD, not Nyana.
Anyway, I still like Nyana....but Tiesto has done MUCH better mix compilations in the past. |
Maybe i didn't make myself clear. Those contrasts that i'm talking about in simple terms have been mastered by Tiesto ever since he released Forbidden Paradise 3 all the way to Nyana. What makes all of the Magiks so special is the employment of contrasts as a means of reaching the wide uplifting effect throughout the set. He has always been good at that. The difference with Nyana is that he takes bold and radical steps by making more risky contrasts such as the tech-into-trance effect. I think it works fine and obviously so does Tiesto, if you don't then you're free to believe what you want.
| quote: | | ....anybody can throw some techno down and then mix trance into it and throw in some housier songs too. |
yeah but most people can't pull it off the way Tiesto and to some extent PVD can, their talent makes a world of a difference. Maybe the problem is that you don't like anything techy or housy? Tiesto decided to evolve that way and i agree with his evolution, if you don't then tough luck. |
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| tranceaholic |
here is what it breaks downto
CD1: sucka big time til we hit venus
CD2: is a very nice cd and ownZzZzZ |
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| court-jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by trance_a_holik
stfu court jester. give me some album titles that you believe to be better than nyana.
-reZ |
i just did u nut. read my post ...ISOS1 & 2, early magic series |
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| court-jester |
" The difference with Nyana is that he takes bold and radical steps by making more risky contrasts such as the tech-into-trance effect."
translation:
it sucks but since tiesto did it, its radical and new wave ! |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by court-jester
" The difference with Nyana is that he takes bold and radical steps by making more risky contrasts such as the tech-into-trance effect."
translation:
it sucks but since tiesto did it, its radical and new wave ! |
:D :D :p :crazy: :tongue3 |
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| Jourdain |
| I have a question: I don't have the CD but The Gift - Love Angel is on CD1. Is this the Main Mix or The M.I.K.E. mix ? |
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| Elmo-On-XTC |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
Time will tell that this is Tiesto's highest quality and most sophisticated mix compilation ever. I've listened each CD like 20 times and can't get enough of them.
Whoever says that CD1 has no flow....buahahahahhaha. You sure don't know your Tiesto. As someone that has seen Tiesto spin 4 times in 2003 alone, I can guarantee you that this is a very accurate representation of the "harder" points of his sets nowadays. See, Tiesto is the best trance dj out there for a reason, his creativity and innovation make him stand out. Let Ferry, Armin and all those lesser trance djs stick to the old stale formula, Tiesto always is the revolutionary artist of the bunch. The flow couldn't be any more perfect imo, Tiesto has this gift for in-key modal mixing that makes all of his mixes so much more musical than anyone else's. Maybe you don't understand what I'm talking about if you have no knowledge of music theory and counterpoint, but basically that Tiesto has a talent for doing harmonic/melodic contrasts in terms of chord progressions that give his whole set a linear narrative of musicality not mastered by anyone else in the trance genre. The CD1 builds up the way it's supposed to build in his style nowadays with no flaws at all.
The initial techno tracks create a very banging intense ambiance that would make everyone dance their ass off and Tiesto is able to maintain that intensity throughout the CD leading up to the climax in Nyana, a gem of a track that evokes the magik of the good ol' days but gives light to what the future of the genre is all about with its genius fusions of contemporary techniques.
If you don't like techno mixed with trance the way Tiesto does it then I'm sorry to tell you that Tiesto is too sophisticated for your taste and maybe you should consider moving on to the fluffier, predictable and formulaic djs that dominate the electronic dance music genres. Techno into trance works perfectly here because Tiesto has the ability and artistic insight to pull it off, and it works! For example, the transition from tech into trance starts in Obsession Frank Biazzi remix (a very "uplifting" techno track in that the buildup is simply amazing) which Tiesto mixes very smoothly into Totem, a more melodic but still tech-based track. Totem flows seamlessly into Let the Light Shine In, a total uplifting trance stormer. There's no going back after that. Inca-Nyana-Venus-Tears from the Moon-Electronic Malfunction-Love Angel-Urban Shakedown and the ultimate soothing comedown with Mistral. Pure bliss if you ask me, it never goes wrong.
What else can be said about CD2 Indoor? All the tracks in it are future classics and Tiesto mixes them in the uplifting "magik" style he's known for, but with that more sophisticated edge that defines the Tiesto of 2003. It simply amazes me how Tiesto successfully avoids all the cheese that permeates the trance scene today and is able to make a compilation of pure quality. Even the vocal tracks are among the best vocal tracks you could come up with: Beautiful Things, Nothing, As the rush comes, Never: Not a single hint of cheese, all are very classy vocals. You can't get more uplifting than the last two tracks, Remember and North Pole.
Yeah, so most of the songs are old but keep in mind that Tiesto mixed this CD months ago. Anyhow, most people out there don't download every track there is like us TAs do. I don't really care, whenever Tiesto releases a mixed compilation it means that all of the tracks will acquire another meaning as they are preserved for eternity. Tiesto's mix compilations get better with age and time like fine wine because of this dj's impeccable taste. You can tell he mixed this in live turntables as he does all of his CDs (even if the mix had to be edited later), giving the mix that authentic live human feel throughout the mix. Compilations by djs such as Armin and Ferry get old and stale after a couple of months because they are pretty superficial and mundane, missing that extra "high-art" touch that Tiesto can give to any mix. Good job Tijs, keep it up! :) |
You're right, I dont like Tiesto. There's a reason behind this. People go AHHH OMG TIESTO HE'S SO AMAZING. Why? cuz he plays good tunes. I won't deny that, this is a fairly good cd in terms of tunage. But flow? come on give me a break. Compare a set by Matt Hardwick to something like this. Being able to mix two tracks based on phrases and harmonic mixing is one thing, congrats he can mix digitally :rolleyes: .Being able to take your set to a level beyond 'playing a bunch of tracks' is another...are you telling me Planisphere - Totem and Darren Tate - Let The Light Shine In flow? like wtf you have some deep trance w/some house influences being mixed into complete and utter epic trance.
This is why I would take a prog set over a trance set any day. Trance sets have very little flow in general, it's two songs which can be beatmatched together. Listen to a set by Sasha/Digweed and you hear a progression of music. it doesn't start out all banging, then breakdown, the bangin, then breakdown for 3 hours. compare the energy in the set from the beginning to the middle to the end.
if i wanted to hear some good trance singles I'd play some good trance singles...this is just a collection of good songs
edit: to better explain what I mean, take ISOS2 for instance. When Salt Tank - Eugina begins to creep its way into the end of Touch me by Rui De Silva, there is so much energy and flow to that particular transition. where does that happen here? |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
You're right, I dont like Tiesto. There's a reason behind this. People go AHHH OMG TIESTO HE'S SO AMAZING. Why? cuz he plays good tunes. I won't deny that, this is a fairly good cd in terms of tunage. But flow? come on give me a break. Compare a set by Matt Hardwick to something like this. Being able to mix two tracks based on phrases and harmonic mixing is one thing, congrats he can mix digitally :rolleyes: .Being able to take your set to a level beyond 'playing a bunch of tracks' is another...are you telling me Planisphere - Totem and Darren Tate - Let The Light Shine In flow? like wtf you have some deep trance w/some house influences being mixed into complete and utter epic trance.
This is why I would take a prog set over a trance set any day. Trance sets have very little flow in general, it's two songs which can be beatmatched together. Listen to a set by Sasha/Digweed and you hear a progression of music. it doesn't start out all banging, then breakdown, the bangin, then breakdown for 3 hours. compare the energy in the set from the beginning to the middle to the end.
if i wanted to hear some good trance singles I'd play some good trance singles...this is just a collection of good songs
edit: to better explain what I mean, take ISOS2 for instance. When Salt Tank - Eugina begins to creep its way into the end of Touch me by Rui De Silva, there is so much energy and flow to that particular transition. where does that happen here? |
You're right about prog sets having a more obvious "flow" and progression of music. Actually, I listen to prog more than anything because in general it's just better music. BUT....Right now the only way I can stand trance is by listening to sets, and more specifically mixed by Tiesto, and there's a reason for it. For me, most of the time that Tiesto mixes two tracks together there's a logic to the mix that adds to the whole linear narrative of his set. If there's one thing I hate is listening to trance singles because listening to the whole trance formula by itself is pretty boring. Tiesto has always added another dimension to trance that I seriously haven't witnessed by any other trance dj even if they are great in their own way and can beatmatch better, be it Matt Hardwick, Armin, Ferry, PVD, Marco V, Scott Bond or whoever, i've seen them all spin live.
Planisphere - Totem and Darren Tate - Let The Light Shine In "flow" perfectly fine for ME, because there's unbroken continuity from one track to the other. It may be a pretty harsh flow, but it makes perfect musical sense to me because the melodic/harmonic contrast fits right in. More important, this type of intense "harsh" transition does wonders in the dancefloor and gives it a lot of energy, and at the end that's what it's all about.
Since you listen to prog and with that other example from ISOS2 you gave I understand that you're looking for smooth immaculate flow from track to track where you wouldn't notice the track change. As you said that is something quite difficult to achieve in trance because of it's linear melodic nature, but I think the energy intensification from track to track is very well constructed in both Nyana CDs. How does it happen? Thanks to Tiesto's taste in connecting different, but complementing, types of melodies. Take for example Beautiful Things mixed into Destination. Beautiful Things is in a major key, Destination is in it's superdominant minor key: the end result is a brilliant contrast that very few djs have an ear for. Going from I to vi creates an effect of tension and energy that aids in the uplifting nature of the set as a whole. This is nothing new, Tiesto did this in all of the Magiks, ISOS, FP and that in my opinion is why Tiesto's compilations are the best of his genre, the musicality.
If I listen to Ferry Corsten World Tour or Armin's Transparence CD I'll enjoy some of the tracks but in general I find them so boring, they don't add anything special to the music. So I'm obviously looking for something different than you guys, call me crazy if you want.
Oh, and Tiesto always mixes his compilations in live turntables and not in Pro Tools like the vast majority of djs. That's another thing that has always made his compilations stand out and this one's no exception. Maybe it was remastered digitally or something, but you can still tell that it was mixed live. |
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| 24K |
I can't wait to the vinyl release of this!!!
:) :o :D ;) :p :cool: :eek: :toothless :thepirate :disbelief :gsmile: :wtf: :toocool: |
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| TranceGiant |
| Respect for this interesting debate! I see both of you guys' points and I like the way you two really pay attention to and analyze the "flow" and the set structure in general, the way I love to do. Sure, I'm no musician but I think everyone who's really spending a lot of time listening to sets and mixed cd's aquires a trained "ear" for that. While I see where Pío is coming from I also tend to agree with Elmo and smitty. For me a perfect example for an excellently constructed TRANCE set would be Armin's "Boundaries of Imagination". Without too harsh contrasts Armin delivers a unique journey that is both smooth and gradually intensifying. A real musical masterpiece. I do like how Tiesto keeps evolving and experimenting but in some cases it really is too much (for ME). But who knows...I'll give Nyana CD1 (which obviously is the more "flamed" cd) a couple of intense listens...before I'm gonna lose my Tiesto virginity on Saturday :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: |
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