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The Official Bored at 2:22am thread (pg. 94)
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| eRRaTiK |
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| tachyon |
| quote: | Originally posted by vitamin v
im hungry :(
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me too. i'll be raiding the fridge pretty soon though! :toothless |
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| A.J. |
I just got home from the pub...we had to drive around for ages until we found one that was open until later :p :p :p
Damn this chicken kebab tastes nice! :D :D :D :D |
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| eRRaTiK |
you and your after-pub kebabs. go away! :whip:
(bastid) |
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| eRRaTiK |
| bored as a mofo :confused: |
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| waXology |
| listen to the radio ;) live from GAS i might add |
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| Chookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by waXology
listen to the radio ;) live from GAS i might add |
Oh yeah It was pretty weird last night, I heard Cameron's voice on the radio when I was taking a piss:haha: |
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| vitamin v |
Sooo *twiddles thumbs*
what did come first? the chicken or the egg?
bored.... |
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| tachyon |
Chicken And Egg Dilemma
Scientific Proof Of The Pre-Existence Of Chickens
by Dirk Van Deun ([email protected])
20 Jun 1995
In this article I will prove that the so-called Dilemma of the Chicken
and the Egg is, in reality, not a dilemma at all. The question, which of the two was there first, is a simple question, that can be solved. It was Darwin who made it possible to provide the correct answer, as I will do in this scholarly article, but also before Darwin there can never have been a Dilemma, as all myths about the Creation I know of speak of the creation of animals, not of eggs. The famous Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg, in other words, is nothing but a sham.
Nowadays we know that chickens, or eggs, for that matter, were not
created by God, but that they are the product of a long evolution, and
that makes the Dilemma more difficult to solve. But it can be done. To begin with, we have to specify that we will be speaking about chickens and chicken's eggs, not about chickens and any kind of eggs, because in that case, the answer is trivial and uninteresting. This seems evident, but I mention it because of its importance further in this discussion.
Let us call the animal which preceded chickens in the evolution of the
species the primeval chicken, or p-chicken for short. The difference
between chicken and p-chicken is probably small and arbitrary, but it
must be possible to differentiate between them, although the criterion
we will use will be chosen more or less arbitrarily by biologists. In
the remainder of this article I will speak about chickens and p-chickens as if we all know the difference; what exactly this difference is, is unimportant to us philosophers.
One day a p-chicken must have laid an egg, out of which a modern chicken emerged. The arrival of this strange chicken has maybe happened on several occasions independently, and the first modern chicken might not be the ancestor of all our chickens, or it might even have died childless, but this is of no importance for our discussion. The only factor of importance is, whether the egg out of which the first modern chicken was born, was a real chicken's egg. If this egg actually was a chicken's egg, then the Egg existed before the Chicken, if not, it can only have originated later.
Now we still have to define a chicken's egg. At first sight, there seem to be three possibilities: a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken (we might call this the popular definition of a chicken's egg), or a chicken's egg is an egg out of which a chicken is born, or a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken, out of which a chicken is born. In fact, only the first definition can be right, because also the eggs we eat, which most certainly do not contain chickens, are called chicken's eggs. And on top of that, if eggs were named after what they contained, there would also have to exist cock's eggs. No, the genitive form can only refer to the maker, not to the inhabitant of the egg.
So, as the egg, out of which the first chicken emerged, cannot have been a chicken's egg, because it was laid by a p-chicken, and as we have clearly stated that the Egg in the Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg can only have been meant as a chicken's egg, I conclude that the Egg came into existence after the Chicken. With the remark, that for once the old creation myths and modern science have come to the same conclusion, I finally put an end to this learned discussion. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by vitamin v
Sooo *twiddles thumbs*
what did come first? the chicken or the egg?
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bored too.....
If you're a creationist, you'd have to say the chicken.
If you're an evolutionist, probably the egg, as the chicken may have evolved from another egg laying animal, gradually evolving into the chcken we know today.
Equally so, you could say the chicken using the same thories as the chicken may originally have not been egg laying, instead being foetus laying (don't know the correct term, but like humans are), but for some reason a chicken layed an egg which gave its progeny an evolutionary advantage, hence leading to the proiferation of the egg laying chicken.
yes, too much thought went into that.........
off, as if you've written something similar to what I've just said................
you cheat, at least I put thought into it, not just copy-paste. |
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| eRRaTiK |
damn you're up late miss rach.
oh wait, hold up... so am i...
going sleep now. zzZzz.. |
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