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| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
ok, this is something that is beginning to deeply annoy me. you basically infer from his writing tendencies that he is immature, specifically the tendency to use curse words in his statements. then you assume he is young because of this. WHY? hypothetically speaking, (i'm not expressing an opinion either way) he could very well be 35 and just be a person who uses a lot of curse words. you then rhetorically ask if he is either 16 or 17.
i am 16, and just because i'm young that automatically makes me incapable of expressing an idea without using a curse word? that ing peeves me. (haha, threw that one in there, just for the sake of contradiction)
seriously speaking now, either i (and several friends in my age group) are different from most 16 year olds, or this is nothing more than a generalized cliche. i understand most males this age you come in contact with are quite immature, but i have discovered it rarely has to do with age, they're just immature, and will continue to be so for quite some time.
its the line i most hear, "all year old guys are so immature". whereas the general consensus may agree with you, its just because they're immature, not because they're that age. kinda ruins it for the ones that try, yet are automatically dismissed because theyre X years old. |
Wicked reply. Props for speaking older than you are.
For the record, I know lots of people who can be quite intelligent in person - however they tend to give off the dumb-joe aura when writing messages online. It's crazy. |
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| Arbiter |
Without hijacking the thread beyond what I deem necessary, I'd just like to try to clarify this little "maturity" issue which seems to have sprung up.
"Maturity" is really too complicated a concept to discuss as if it were a single attribute which could be measured across a linear spectrum. The foremost and most significant point of division is of course between "physical maturity" and what I will refer to as "personal maturity" - referring to the maturity of one's personality. It could certainly be argued (and I would be inclined to agree) that each of these categories can be further subdivided. However in the interest of keeping this post relatively brief I will discuss exclusively this composite "personal maturity."
What is normally referred to as maturity in the sense of personal maturity is somewhat of a misnomer. If we take maturity in a general sense to mean "level of development," then we assume a particular sequential path by which one "matures." While can be observed objectively in many aspects of physical maturity, what we perceive to be a mature personality is largely dependent on culture.
Depending upon your age and the social environment in which you live, there are a variety of different behaviors and attitudes which you are expected to exhibit. What is generally perceived as a mature personality is nothing more than exhibiting the behaviors and attitudes generally associated with adults, while what is generally perceived as an immature personality is nothing more than exhibiting the behaviors and attitudes generally associated with persons of lower age.
It is important to note that there is no objective reason why so-called mature behaviors "follow" so-called immature behaviors in the maturation process. It is also important to note that there is a large degree to which our behaviors and attitudes are shaped by these expectations, rather than any developmental progress inherent to our own minds.
It has been my opinion for quite a number of years now that a genuinely mature personality is not just one which exhibits the characteristics typically associated with an older age group. After all, it takes no greater intellectual, emotional, psychological, or social development in order to conform with a different set of norms. Rather, I would argue that a genuinely mature personality is one which recognizes the multiplicity of influences on its own behavior, and which while it may in many circumstances choose to comply to social or group norms, is fully conscious of the factors leading it to that decision, rather than merely exhibiting the characteristics it knows are expected of it and believing those behaviors are some how intrinsically assoicated with them as an individual.
As a result of this line of thinking, I cannot help but find the accusation that a person is immature based solely on the language they choose to employ absurd. I would also be inclined to agree that to further attempt to guess at their age based on this evidence would not yield consistently accurate results.
However, I think it bears some notice that anuneventrade herself wrote this:
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Ther have been plenty of men "equal or lesser of age" than myself that have tried to hook up with me. In all honesty, I don't find anything in common with them. We don't have the same views and goals about life, we don't have the same values. Perhaps there is some fantastic guy that is my age or younger that will one day sweep me off of my feet. *shrugs* As of right now, there hasn't been one. I'm not saying that there's no way in hell that I would date a younger guy, I'm just saying that the opportunity for a decent relationship involving a younger guy has not arised.
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So it is clear that she already realizes that such assumptions are merely generalizations. I don't see what end is served by going on to challenge her other statements on the basis that they are generalizations when it is clear she is already aware of this fact.
While it is my opinion that the statement, "Btw, how old are you? Since you cannot submit an argument without curse words? 16? 17?" contributed nothing to her argument (it is a form of argumentum ad hominem), and it probably would have best been omitted, it is obvious to me that it is just a natural defensive reaction which we all experience from time to time, myself included. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
So much for this being "brief."
Regards,
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Heinz
congrates to you igottaknow. your old girl answered my question that was to you. that damn hot. |
sorry that i had me "old girl" answer your question, i don't like to kiss and tell, btw did i ever tell you i dated a nun :p |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Without hijacking the thread beyond what I deem necessary, I'd just like to try to clarify this little "maturity" issue which seems to have sprung up.
"Maturity" is really too complicated a concept to discuss as if it were a single attribute which could be measured across a linear spectrum. The foremost and most significant point of division is of course between "physical maturity" and what I will refer to as "personal maturity" - referring to the maturity of one's personality. It could certainly be argued (and I would be inclined to agree) that each of these categories can be further subdivided. However in the interest of keeping this post relatively brief I will discuss exclusively this composite "personal maturity."
What is normally referred to as maturity in the sense of personal maturity is somewhat of a misnomer. If we take maturity in a general sense to mean "level of development," then we assume a particular sequential path by which one "matures." While can be observed objectively in many aspects of physical maturity, what we perceive to be a mature personality is largely dependent on culture.
Depending upon your age and the social environment in which you live, there are a variety of different behaviors and attitudes which you are expected to exhibit. What is generally perceived as a mature personality is nothing more than exhibiting the behaviors and attitudes generally associated with adults, while what is generally perceived as an immature personality is nothing more than exhibiting the behaviors and attitudes generally associated with persons of lower age.
It is important to note that there is no objective reason why so-called mature behaviors "follow" so-called immature behaviors in the maturation process. It is also important to note that there is a large degree to which our behaviors and attitudes are shaped by these expectations, rather than any developmental progress inherent to our own minds.
It has been my opinion for quite a number of years now that a genuinely mature personality is not just one which exhibits the characteristics typically associated with an older age group. After all, it takes no greater intellectual, emotional, psychological, or social development in order to conform with a different set of norms. Rather, I would argue that a genuinely mature personality is one which recognizes the multiplicity of influences on its own behavior, and which while it may in many circumstances choose to comply to social or group norms, is fully conscious of the factors leading it to that decision, rather than merely exhibiting the characteristics it knows are expected of it and believing those behaviors are some how intrinsically assoicated with them as an individual.
As a result of this line of thinking, I cannot help but find the accusation that a person is immature based solely on the language they choose to employ absurd. I would also be inclined to agree that to further attempt to guess at their age based on this evidence would not yield consistently accurate results.
However, I think it bears some notice that anuneventrade herself wrote this:
So it is clear that she already realizes that such assumptions are merely generalizations. I don't see what end is served by going on to challenge her other statements on the basis that they are generalizations when it is clear she is already aware of this fact.
While it is my opinion that the statement, "Btw, how old are you? Since you cannot submit an argument without curse words? 16? 17?" contributed nothing to her argument (it is a form of argumentum ad hominem), and it probably would have best been omitted, it is obvious to me that it is just a natural defensive reaction which we all experience from time to time, myself included. I wouldn't get too worked up over it.
So much for this being "brief."
Regards,
Arbiter |
hands down. i am forced to agree with you completely. now that you mention it, my post does have this somewhat hostile undertone to it, and it is pretty obvious anuneventrade didn't mean much by her lat comment, i just took it as an example for the thousands of times comments like that are used. briefly, :p i was just trying to make a point that didn't necessarily have to do with her post, but i felt the need to get it out there. |
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| dj_Vendetta |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trance-Aqua
Not so long ago i was talking with my friends gf , and we were on the topic of love/relation etc,
And apparently all the girls by her theory always dream/go for a guy whose older than her and is very financialy stable,,, so i ask her about loving a guy who maybe isnt older and isnt financialy stable,, she says right away that its a no no and thats its every girls dream about older and rich guys.
Ya it wouldn't really suprise me if most girls would prefer an older more financial man, which is pathetic, and it just simply shows that those girls dont deserve anything good in life. I know this girls that are always hanging out with 25 ect year old guys....it makes me puke, they are just trying to be cool, it is a joke. I for one, as a guy do not care how much money a girl has or how old she is, aslong as shes 18. And I can't really stand that grown up sense of style, im 21, and a poor student..who works to stay alive, and has a wild social life, and a young outlook on life...If a girl doenst like that they can properly off, I have no time for shallow peaces of . |
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| Aya Brea |
| i've never tried to go for a guy who is financially stable (as long as they're a good person and they treat me right and with respect i don't care), but to be honest i never had the desire to date somoene younger than me. same age or older |
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| Trance-Aqua |
My hands down to Jennypie and Loca.
At least this world still has normal girls, thank god :) thanx for the reply girls.
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| BeeEee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-Aqua
so i thought id ask you girls on here, is it true that you always tend to go or always dream of going for a guy who is older and is rich ??? |
NO .
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
WTF?? I'd like to slap that bitch upside the head. It's dumb gold-digging broads like her who give us cool chicks a bad rep. Tell her to go suck a dick...if she knows how. |
ahahhahaah ... that's it jenny !! ;) |
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| DjDarling |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_Vendetta
Ya it wouldn't really suprise me if most girls would prefer an older more financial man, which is pathetic, and it just simply shows that those girls dont deserve anything good in life. I know this girls that are always hanging out with 25 ect year old guys....it makes me puke, they are just trying to be cool, it is a joke. I for one, as a guy do not care how much money a girl has or how old she is, aslong as shes 18. And I can't really stand that grown up sense of style, im 21, and a poor student..who works to stay alive, and has a wild social life, and a young outlook on life...If a girl doenst like that they can properly off, I have no time for shallow peaces of . |
It's very very weird that you say that you don' care about "how much money a girl has or how old she is, as long as she's 18." haha read that over sweetie, it doesn't even make sense. And i think it shouldn't matter if younger ppl hang out with older ppl, as long as the maturity level is the same. seriously grow up, you're 21 and you want to go for an 18 year old, but in a few years you'll never look at one again? like wtf. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjDarling
It's very very weird that you say that you don' care about "how much money a girl has or how old she is, as long as she's 18." haha read that over sweetie, it doesn't even make sense. And i think it shouldn't matter if younger ppl hang out with older ppl, as long as the maturity level is the same. seriously grow up, you're 21 and you want to go for an 18 year old, but in a few years you'll never look at one again? like wtf. |
all other points aside, i think the "as long as she's 18" was added meaning she should be at least 18 in order to go out with him, otherwise, wouldn't it be illegal? other than that, i must agree with you that people from different age groups can fraternize without any problem, but i think what he is referring to is those girls that only go for older guys, just because they're older. it may not apply to you, or those around you, but i have seen many girls who will go for older guys just because they're older, it's trendy, and other frivolous reasons.
he may also be taking a bash at those guys who basically go for younger females in order to get in their pants easier, basically because they cannot fool a woman their age into it. (yes, i did use the word fool, because that's the only thing they are really doing)
it's quite common, at least from my point of view, where the male isn't smart enough, or, "mature" enough to have a relationship with a female in his age group, but he can still overwhelm those younger than he is, so he goes after them. |
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| WaterBearer |
| Your friend is wrong. I typically date older guys, but just for maturity reasons. I found a younger guy mentally stimulating, then I would give it a chance. As far as rich guys go - that! Almost every rich man I've met is an arrogant . No amount of money is worth your happiness. |
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| vasyachkin |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
WTF?? I'd like to slap that bitch upside the head. It's dumb gold-digging broads like her who give us cool chicks a bad rep. Tell her to go suck a dick...if she knows how. |
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i hate whores, but i love sluts :) |
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