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Bending spoons (pg. 3)
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Witty, clever, AND brilliant... I bet the ladies love you. I'm also impressed with your literacy. A combination of "ahahahaha" and "ing" spread over several posts is an excellent contribution to a thread regarding something you've never witnessed.
Anyways, anyone interested in related phenomena should check this out:
www.princeton.edu/~pear
Princeton has a lab devoted to how the mind can affect REGs (random event generators). Excellent protocol and safeguards (thermal, radiation, electrical, physical), and yet a consistent statistical validation for over 20 years. |
one of my best friends who was suppose to graduate w/ me (actually graduated.. 3 yrs early?) works at that same lab, working on "dark matter". I should give him a call, as i'm sure some of his friends are working on that project. |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
i suppose if i was giving him that would have been pretty good...but actually i was just telling him cause it bothers me hehehe |
Give the Solar Stone remix a listen at 1:49 ;) |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Give the Solar Stone remix a listen at 1:49 ;-) |
ahhh touche...i was only thinking of the original and tilt mix...how stupid of me
:p |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
one of my best friends who was suppose to graduate w/ me (actually graduated.. 3 yrs early?) works at that same lab, working on "dark matter". I should give him a call, as i'm sure some of his friends are working on that project. |
Awesome; I'd be interested to hear a first-hand account. I've got a few friends over at Princeton who've heard about the project tangentially, but nobody who's actually working on it. I hear it's not smiled upon, for obvious (if unfortunate) reasons.
You graduated 3 years early? Me too :) |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Awesome; I'd be interested to hear a first-hand account. I've got a few friends over at Princeton who've heard about the project tangentially, but nobody who's actually working on it. I hear it's not smiled upon, for obvious (if unfortunate) reasons.
You graduated 3 years early? Me too :) |
nono, my friend did. MIT begged him to come, but Princeton offered a much better deal. Besides we were sick of Boston! |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
nono, my friend did. MIT begged him to come, but Princeton offered a much better deal. Besides we were sick of Boston! |
Ahh, I see. Anyway, I'd love to hear what someone intelligent and close to the project has to say about it. |
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| Arbiter |
I am a bit skeptical about similar phenomena generally, but I think it would be a mistake to dismiss these claims. That said, there are a couple of questions that would have to be answered before I could accept it as real:
- Why hasn't anyone been able to demonstrate the ability under controlled scientific conditions?
- Why cutlery (and only cutlery)? I can't imagine that the ability would only apply to forks and spoons. If I had such an ability, you could bet I'd be spending hours looking for a practical application for it instead of writing about it on the internet. The behavior of those who claim it is real seems rather inconsistent with the claims...
That said, there are few people who believe in dowsing and I am quite certain of the existence of such an ability.
I wish there were more concrete information regarding this phenomenon. The UA article suggested that "laboratory tests would commence within the next couple of weeks." Given that the article is from 2001, I would assume they're finished. If so, the data should be available unless it was never released due to positive outcome bias. I can't find it, however. Not a good sign. |
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| Absolut_Vodka |
| I actually saw a program about this on discovery a couple of years back. Unfortunatley I cant remember the name of it, or much content from it. I do remember though that they were analysing in-depth, and had views from both sides. They did perform a scientifically controlled test, and even went as far as investigating how the bonds of the metal of spoon had been broken. In the end, they concluded that the mind did not bend the spoon (I cant remember much else).. |
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| Vigilante |
David Blaine
Now that guy is awesome....... |
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| a-L.MSI|BLiTz |
| lmao at the 54% of americans who believe in the creation (and bending spoons) looool |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
im just neutral but curious. i am more curious about how systems work than believing or disbelieving. i place responsibilty on me. if i can't find compliant studies, i will figure out a theory, find the people, and apply it if possible.
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I am a bit skeptical about similar phenomena generally, but I think it would be a mistake to dismiss these claims. That said, there are a couple of questions that would have to be answered before I could accept it as real:
- Why hasn't anyone been able to demonstrate the ability under controlled scientific conditions?
- Why cutlery (and only cutlery)? I can't imagine that the ability would only apply to forks and spoons. If I had such an ability, you could bet I'd be spending hours looking for a practical application for it instead of writing about it on the internet. The behavior of those who claim it is real seems rather inconsistent with the claims...
That said, there are few people who believe in dowsing and I am quite certain of the existence of such an ability.
I wish there were more concrete information regarding this phenomenon. The UA article suggested that "laboratory tests would commence within the next couple of weeks." Given that the article is from 2001, I would assume they're finished. If so, the data should be available unless it was never released due to positive outcome bias. I can't find it, however. Not a good sign. |
the answer to why is that you're dealing with many unknown variables when you're using people. an experiment success may not be repeatable with the same people due to lack of knowledge/theory in this field to properly pre-screen them and measure attempts for success and failures.
the alternative is the study should be done over time with the same limits (only 1,4 or 6 elite spoon benders) to test for success repeatability.
why 1,4 or 6? well, there is a certain numerological implication with the quantity in meo(my educated opinion.
also, this paranormal event is situated around psychology of subconscious, visualization, and mental focus and will. So not everyone is equal to the task nor has the capability either.
another thing, this is about getting grants. the funders frowns on sciences deemed on the fringe. and it takes ballz for a researcher
to play the devil's advocate in a darwinian scientific community. a prof would be laughed out of his/her career if he/she tried for a grant here.
as for dowsing, I spent roughly 5 months with the theory designing protocols, methodology, and applying it. what i found was similar theto the above issues: unpredictable variables result in accuracy problems. this was due to the complexity of the inquisition also. but the phenonemon is real due to successful attempts.
Some aspects I found interesting was being near EMF transmissions, crossing my legs together, or wearing a watch on the dowsing arm messes up the dowsing, greatly. even certain crystals will wiggle out the accuracy. :haha:
another is who/what is the dowser establishing communication with and what limits are their knowledge. there is no room for generalities. dowsing should be very technical and methodical much like software program coding, in my case, to ensure as much less glitches as possible.
simply asking "I want to get rich on the stock markets" may prove as prelude to a hilarious glitch and shows a dowser's inappropriate consideration of limitations. there many variables to consider for its particular individual. dowsing is very sensitive to energetic impressions that are imperceivable to some of us.
this is the main reason dowsing theory is difficult to prove and standardized, publicly. my ventures are good enough to satisfy me as proof though. |
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| kaotickat |
| this is uri geller all over again. if i ever caught myself seriously trying to bend flatware with my brain, it would be time for me to get a hobbie... or maybe a book. david blaine is definitely an awesome man. |
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