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Bending spoons (pg. 7)
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
uhhhm, I have a digital camera that can record 30 seconds of MPEG. I'll pull a spoon out from my kitchen draw, repeatedly slam/smash and attempt to bend it an attempt to show you that it's un-bendable, and in less then 10 seconds bend and melt its head with my finger tips due to my magical godlike powers.
You do know that this is one of magics oldest tricks right? :rolleyes: |
Ahhh, yes. My closest friends, who I've known for my entire life, just lied to me. Even though they're highly intelligent and skeptical, what they REALLY did was employ trickery and report to me that it bent exactly as many intelligent, reliable sources have described. That's brilliant, really ;) |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
To me it is utter
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hehe its tough to keep an open mind, but I do somehow. |
Yep, sounds pretty open to me. Either that or you're merely a cynical, arrogant person seeking to debunk things about which you could not possibly know, having never experienced them yourself. |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Yep, sounds pretty open to me. Either that or you're merely a cynical, arrogant person seeking to debunk things about which you could not possibly know, having never experienced them yourself. |
I am extremely cynical and fairly arrogant. I think I would derive a lot of pleasure out of debunking any of these paranormal phenomenon.
now by debunk I am not assuming they are wrong, although that is prolly the wrong choice o words. I am merely truth finding. I think I have more skill than the previous researchers and actually can find something worth while.
I just get sick of perusing through Psych journals dedicated to the paranormal and only seeing non significant findings, cheap scales, poorly control experiments, assumptions, correlations, correlations, correlations, and in teh end, only speculation.
I hope to bring a little more to the table. I guess I am a little more arrogent than I thought ;). |
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| astroboy |
Firstly, it is disappointing to see the number of people with something to prove posting here. Why be arrogant smartasses and attack people. If you think something is a hoax, then explain why without calling people names. It's always those who lack intelligence that turn discussions into confrontations, whenever their assertions (and their lack of substantiation) or methodology are called into question.
As to the matter at hand: I do believe that there is a great deal that science has yet to discover and explain. Indeed there was a time that the sherical shape of the earth, the existance of viruses and bacteria and indeed most of modern science as we know it was considered superstitious or fraudulent. Without intelligent discussion of these things we would still be in the dark ages.
If a phenomenon such as this spoon-bending occurs and we can't explain it, it is foolishness to instantly jump to "spiritual" explanations, or to instantly call it a hoax for no other reason than science in its current state not being able to explain it. What is needed is nonconfrontational discussion and exploration of the phenomenon, until we can conclusively demonstrate it to be a fraud or genuine, and in the case of the latter, explain it.
Calling people that don't impulsively debunk it morons or stupid, is not clever, its not "being scientific", its just arrogant and narrow minded. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Ahhh, yes. My closest friends, who I've known for my entire life, just lied to me. Even though they're highly intelligent and skeptical, what they REALLY did was employ trickery and report to me that it bent exactly as many intelligent, reliable sources have described. That's brilliant, really ;) |
You should hire a David Copperfield movie, and invite these so called "intelligent & skeptical" friends of yours over for a spoon bending party. I just pray that their skepticism and intellect helps them debunk some of magics greatest secrets, rather then jointly coming to the intelligent and highly skeptical conclusion that it was in fact magic.:rolleyes:
I once again say this is one of magics oldest tricks. It's on par with your parents tricking you into believing the co-existence of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, and dare I say: The Boogie Man:nervous:
As you can see, all the above mentioned tricks were devised to bring hope, fear, or astonishment to their victim/s. Clearly this topic astonishes you, it's just sad to see you wasting your time on something so evident & rudimentary, when your time would be more wisely invested demystifying another pressing issue: The unexplainable phenomenon of how santas flying reindeers mange to circumnavigate the world in less then 24 hours. |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
You should hire a David Copperfield movie, and invite these so called "intelligent & skeptical" friends of yours over for a spoon bending party. I just pray that their skepticism and intellect helps them debunk some of magics greatest secrets, rather then jointly coming to the intelligent and highly skeptical conclusion that it was in fact magic.:rolleyes:
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You sure use the rolleyes a lot. But I'll be patient with you, since I'm nice like that. They did not WATCH someone else do it. They DID it themselves. One has a minor in metallurgy, and has won more science and math competitions than you can imagine. Do you not understand the difference between SEEING something and DOING something? Do you really think my friends employed trickery and then lied to me? They brought their own spoons, which never left their hands.
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I once again say this is one of magics oldest tricks. It's on par with your parents tricking you into believing the co-existence of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, and dare I say: The Boogie Man:nervous:
As you can see, all the above mentioned tricks were devised to bring hope, fear, or astonishment to their victim/s. Clearly this topic astonishes you, it's just sad to see you wasting your time on something so evident & rudimentary, when your time would be more wisely invested demystifying another pressing issue: The unexplainable phenomenon of how santas flying reindeers mange to circumnavigate the world in less then 24 hours" |
Ahh yes, you're being clever again! See Astroboy's previous post. Cynicism and arrogance are neither needed nor wanted in this thread. Take your insecure ramblings about life and science someplace where they're needed; namely, nowhere. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
You should hire a David Copperfield movie, and invite these so called "intelligent & skeptical" friends of yours over for a spoon bending party. I just pray that their skepticism and intellect helps them debunk some of magics greatest secrets, rather then jointly coming to the intelligent and highly skeptical conclusion that it was in fact magic.:rolleyes: |
As far as I can tell, here you are either saying:
a) that one would be just as foolish to allow for the possibility that this spoon-bending business is not a fraud, as if one was to allow for the possibility of David Copperfield's illusions being true.
or sarcastically b) That his friends are neither intelligent nor skeptical.
You do not provide any intelligent or logical basis for either assertion.
| quote: | | I once again say this is one of magics oldest tricks. It's on par with your parents tricking you into believing the co-existence of Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, and dare I say: The Boogie Man:nervous: |
Again you refer to the magic trick. The trick, as you mentioned, requires the participant to pretend the spoon is hard, then to bend the apparently "hard" spoon. This relies on deception on the part of the person who bent the spoon. If Flyboy's frieds got to feel the spoon before, during and after the bending, then the "trick" to work they would have to have lied to Flyboy. This is the assertion it is necessary to make to support your statement. What basis do you have to believe that Flyboys friends were lying to him?
| quote: | | As you can see, all the above mentioned tricks were devised to bring hope, fear, or astonishment to their victim/s. |
Yes this may be true of the fictitious characters you mentioned. But you have yet to establish a solid link to the isue at hand. You have stated they are similar but not demonstrated it with any evidence... scientific, circumstantial or otherwise.
| quote: | | Clearly this topic astonishes you, it's just sad to see you wasting your time on something so evident & rudimentary, when your time would be more wisely invested demystifying another pressing issue: The unexplainable phenomenon of how santas flying reindeers mange to circumnavigate the world in less then 24 hours. |
This last paragraph is emotional rather than rational, and insulting in tone. It has no place in a serious discussion, and therefore deserves no serious response. |
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| Boomer187 |
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| GelatinPufF |
OMFG. Being a person who has done this trick numerous times, and bewildered a few people in it's execution, I can honestly say:
| quote: | | Do you really think my friends employed trickery and then lied to me? |
Yes.
Although lying is such a harsh word. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
This last paragraph is emotional rather than rational, and insulting in tone. It has no place in a serious discussion, and therefore deserves no serious response. |
Well I'm sorry to have to point this out to you, but you've failed to demonstrate with any evidence: scientific, circumstantial or otherwise, that this is in fact a serious discussion. |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
OMFG. Being a person who has done this trick numerous times, and bewildered a few people in it's execution, I can honestly say:
Yes.
Although lying is such a harsh word. |
Excellent. An a priori assumption that anyone making this claim must be lying. My best friends learned magic tricks and then lied to me. Clever. Now that we know your unfounded bias in this matter, we can safely ignore any further condescending posts you make. |
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| NinetyNinety |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
aaahhhhhhh
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Did you bend that spoon yourself? :eyes: |
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