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Bending spoons (pg. 8)
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | | My best friends learned magic tricks and then lied to me. Clever. Now that we know your unfounded bias in this matter, we can safely ignore any further condescending posts you make |
That was perhaps the most intelligible remark you've made in this entire thread. I also love the condesending manner at which you rule its possibility out. Which leads me to my final conclusion: You would make a great role model for hypocrisy.
Now if you really want to determing the underlying cause of this "phenomenon":rolleyes: I would look into books pertaining to deception and persuasion.
I would be cleverly chuckling in my seat if I found out that this Mr Hock had a Phd in psychology. Namely social persuasion. |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NinetyNinety
Did you bend that spoon yourself? :eyes: |
I am strong :stongue:
actually I bend my spoons everytime I get ice cream out thats too cold.
and another thing I woudl like to study is why people get sooo riled up when discussing paranormal things. it happens everytime. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
and another thing I woudl like to study is why people get sooo riled up when discussing paranormal things. it happens everytime. |
It's coz I'm drunk.:( And yes, I know I have a problem:( |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
It's coz I'm drunk.:( And yes, I know I have a problem:( |
:wtf:
it happens when alcohol is not involved. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
:wtf:
it happens when alcohol is not involved. |
Well everytime I get drunk (which includes the last three nights sat/sun/mon) I seem to become highly cynical and well spoken. It also makes me capable of bending spoons at will. Permit me to demonstate: :eek:
that's not me btw, I just googled it :nervous: |
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| th0m |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Firstly, it is disappointing to see the number of people with something to prove posting here. Why be arrogant smartasses and attack people. If you think something is a hoax, then explain why without calling people names. It's always those who lack intelligence that turn discussions into confrontations, whenever their assertions (and their lack of substantiation) or methodology are called into question. |
It hasn't been proven right either. |
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| jessicah |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
and another thing I woudl like to study is why people get sooo riled up when discussing paranormal things. it happens everytime. |
People get really riled up discussing just about EVERY topic in here. It's crazy |
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| Tak |
I have heard about a metal, solid at rool temperature, that softens when heated to around body temperature. Unfortunatly I never heard it's name but accordingly it was used in circus acts and the like by the "strong man". They would get an audience member to try bending it first, when it was cold, and they would try their hardest to no avail. The "strong man" would then heat up the bar with his hands (while stalling for time no doubt) before bending it. This however was still no easy feat, as the metal was only slightly softer than normal, and still required a large amount of force to bend it, but only with this metal was it possible.
If somehow the spoons that were bent were made of this same metal, it would explain why they have to be rubbed to be bent. As michael Crichton said in Travels "you just rub the spoon for a while and pretty soon it gets soft, and it bends. And that's that."
Flyboy217, this however doesn't explain why your friends were able to do it if they brought their own spoons, which would surley have been made of a normal metal. I'd suggest, if they still have the bent spoons, to heat them again to see what happens. |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tak
I have heard about a metal, solid at rool temperature, that softens when heated to around body temperature. Unfortunatly I never heard it's name but accordingly it was used in circus acts and the like by the "strong man". They would get an audience member to try bending it first, when it was cold, and they would try their hardest to no avail. The "strong man" would then heat up the bar with his hands (while stalling for time no doubt) before bending it. This however was still no easy feat, as the metal was only slightly softer than normal, and still required a large amount of force to bend it, but only with this metal was it possible.
If somehow the spoons that were bent were made of this same metal, it would explain why they have to be rubbed to be bent. As michael Crichton said in Travels "you just rub the spoon for a while and pretty soon it gets soft, and it bends. And that's that."
Flyboy217, this however doesn't explain why your friends were able to do it if they brought their own spoons, which would surley have been made of a normal metal. I'd suggest, if they still have the bent spoons, to heat them again to see what happens. |
this is what I initially thought. And that test they perform before hand, with the whatever you call it, bead on a string. wel yeah, what I am ...
hhmmmm, I think I got it, er at least I got something to fool around with.
the bead test thing could have something to do with magnetics, testing if teh fork has a certain property. This property I am guessing has something to do with what your talking about, the body temp bendability.
thats why I wanna test each fork or spoon to see what material it is made of. Or make my own spoon or fork out of metal I know the properties of. Then see if there are any patterns.
I don't like this, use our spoons and fork, or buy your own...ya never know whats in there. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
Well I'm sorry to have to point this out to you, but you've failed to demonstrate with any evidence: scientific, circumstantial or otherwise, that this is in fact a serious discussion. |
^^^ blatant troll-post, I shouldn't answer it but I will anyway... I know Flyboy started this off in a serious tone, and most people replied in the same way, including you. At some stage you stopped thinking it was a serious discussion (namely when the rationality of your argument was called into question). In that case your posts should be treated as a joke and ignored?... That would make it easier for people who are willing to discuss this rationally.
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
That was perhaps the most intelligible remark you've made in this entire thread. I also love the condesending manner at which you rule its possibility out. Which leads me to my final conclusion: You would make a great role model for hypocrisy. |
Unless you're dyslexic you will find most of his posts have been intelligible. Written in English, using proper syntax and grammar. The manner in which he rejected the possibility was not condescending at all and not even close to the nature of your rejection of the possibility of it being true. He gave you the reason that he was rejecting your assertion: you were basing it on nothing, it was an a priori assumption you made... I might add one which was probably based on circular reasoning.
Flyboy's assertion: They were not lying.
Flyboy's substantiation: I've known the people for some time and they would not lie to me.
GP's: Assertion: They were lying.
GP's Substantiation: They must have been because it is a trick... it is a trick, because anyone that presents evidence of it is lying... They must be lying because it is a trick. <
| quote: | | Now if you really want to determing the underlying cause of this "phenomenon":rolleyes: I would look into books pertaining to deception and persuasion. |
You still haven't explained why it has to be a trick. I've done the trick many times too... so what? Why do you assume, that no matter who does it or how vehemently they assert that something genuine is occuring, there must be some explanation that involves the whole thing being a trick?
I would be cleverly chuckling in my seat if I found out that this Mr Hock had a Phd in psychology. Namely social persuasion. [/QUOTE]
[color=limegreen]If I found out it was a trick, I would be impressed too. I have no position on the matter, apart from an open mind and an interest in seeing it definitively proven true or false. I don't reject the possibility of it being a trick, nor do I reject the possibility of it being genuine.
| quote: | Originally posted by th0m
It hasn't been proven right either. |
Of course not... if you read lower in my post, you will see that I allow for the possibility of it being proved wrong. Wrong or right was not the issue in my post. The issue was the, dare I say it, unscientific way a lot of people approached the discussion, not the side that they took. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
thats why I wanna test each fork or spoon to see what material it is made of. Or make my own spoon or fork out of metal I know the properties of. Then see if there are any patterns.
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That would be a good idea. |
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| Flyboy217 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tak
I have heard about a metal, solid at rool temperature, that softens when heated to around body temperature. Unfortunatly I never heard it's name but accordingly it was used in circus acts and the like by the "strong man". They would get an audience member to try bending it first, when it was cold, and they would try their hardest to no avail. The "strong man" would then heat up the bar with his hands (while stalling for time no doubt) before bending it. This however was still no easy feat, as the metal was only slightly softer than normal, and still required a large amount of force to bend it, but only with this metal was it possible.
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I believe you are speaking of Nitinol. It's an alloy that is commonly used in metal-bending tricks, because of its "memory." However, it does not match the results seen at the party. Specifically, check out the following link. It is hosted on Geller's site, but is the work of another author (Kit Pedler):
http://www.uri-geller.com/books/min...tter/momk07.htm
Because my friends noted that Mr. Houck could provide tampered spoons, they brought their own.
In addition, the elements gallium, cesium, rubidium, and mercury have melting points less than the temperature of the human body. However, this would not explain the noted results. Namely, why the metal became cold and solid immediately after bending, but before the attendees put the objects down. Also, dinnerware does not contain those metals (especially the toxic Hg), for obvious reasons.
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Flyboy217, this however doesn't explain why your friends were able to do it if they brought their own spoons, which would surley have been made of a normal metal. I'd suggest, if they still have the bent spoons, to heat them again to see what happens. |
They of course have tried this. They tried bending the spoons several days before the party, to no avail, and again on the car ride home. The female friend does not (apparently) have sufficient muscular strength to bend the spoons in the way she seemed to do at the party. She was unable to bend the spoon at all before the party, and her attempts to unbend it later were also futile.
Again, my friends aren't exactly sure what to make of it, but they have gone over every point suggested in the JREF skeptics forum. They brought their own spoons, which never left their hands, and did pre- and post-trials to ensure that the metal wasn't exhibiting obviously "funny" traits.
At the very least, it warrants further investigation. |
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