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Is Gandhi in Hell... (pg. 6)
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| tribu |
Im a confirmed catholic, but as far as "religion" goes, I follow a personally compiled list of doctrine. I know in my stomach when i am doing right and wrong, and I need little else to confirm those beliefs for me...
i think the bible is a great read though, if youve got the time to get through it all...(ive read it several times, but not well enough to quote or anything) |
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| NinetyNinety |
| Oh ok, I just wanted to know, since you are probably the first TA who has discussed with me on this subject without an angry temper... ;) |
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| tribu |
| Im pretty open on the topic of religion. One of the best things about my school was that they taught us the basic doctrine of several of the worlds major religions, which showed us that, though the details each group used to justify their beliefs are as different a possible, most religions' central doctrine is one of peace with the others around you. |
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| NinetyNinety |
| Hahahha, tribu and I have officially hijacked this thread! :D |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
God exists in the singular, in the plural. God exists, you see?
If Ghandi believes in the God(s) of Jainism, the passage into being with such (or the passage into being a part of such) -- then yes, Ghandi is in "heaven", Ghandi is with/a part of God (assuming he has followed the tenets of the requirements of such passage).
I'm no doctor of divinity, however again I think the solution lies in that we were all created by and with the same hand, and if we live a good and just life, to the same hand we will one day return. |
No actually I don't quite see. I'm somewhat well versed in the tenets of the new testament and the tenets of christianity and there are a number of verses from the bible that explicitly state that ONLY the followers of christ well gain admittance into heaven:
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(I Corinthians 15:1,3),
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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(Galatians 1:9).
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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These are but a few texts. I could go on for quite some time. |
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| tribu |
I may be starting a fight but I believe both texts you quoted are letters or epistles written to certain groups to either assuage them to accept christianity or reaffirm their proper action (as seen by the church). Therefore, is it rational to suggest that such statements might function as ways to make its readers want to convert? I am all for the bible and its message, but once you get into the literal readings (especially of the epistle sections, which Ive always felt are unnecessary given the function of the bible) I am not so supportive...
(I realize this may be the result of the passages you chose by chance. If this is so, please shut me down in a nice way :D ) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I may be starting a fight but I believe both texts you quoted are letters or epistles written to certain groups to either assuage them to accept christianity or reaffirm their proper action (as seen by the church). Therefore, is it rational to suggest that such statements might function as ways to make its readers want to convert? I am all for the bible and its message, but once you get into the literal readings (especially of the epistle sections, which Ive always felt are unnecessary given the function of the bible) I am not so supportive...
(I realize this may be the result of the passages you chose by chance. If this is so, please shut me down in a nice way :D ) |
First of all, I don't believe in the bible. Second of all, christianity is all about taking the bible literally in nearly every respect except for the parts of the bible that cross over into the realm of science. There we're supposed to take things "figuratively" all of a sudden. But I can assure you, the teachings of Jesus/gospels/other main books one is supposed to read into it very literally. So you don't like letters or the epistles? Ok not a problem:
"And this is the way to have eternal life - to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth" (John 17:3).
"We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this way, no matter who we are or what we have done" (Rom 3:22).
Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Rom 6:23).
“Salvation is found in no one else [jesus], for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
So on and so forth ... |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
These are but a few texts. I could go on for quite some time. |
OK USA.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
First of all, I don't believe in the bible. Second of all, christianity is all about taking the bible literally in nearly every respect except for the parts of the bible that cross over into the realm of science. |
You clearly don't understand based on this statement above. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
OK USA. |
Sure thing Canada :conf: |
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| Mattsanity |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I must say that doesn't sound like a very Christian attitude to me. |
If you read the bible, it said that you must obey/love/worship etc. god in order to go to heaven, and other religions have nothing to do with that. He says to put himself above everything else. Even your parents, girlfriend, SEX, money, and all other things. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranc3
Did Jesus Christ accept himself as his own personal lord and savior? |
yes he did. |
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| Mattsanity |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
yes he did. |
Yes, in the bible, he said I AM |
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