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Why is There So Much Hostility to Mixing With MP3s?
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| Spacey Orange |
BTW the topic is NOT: which is better CD or Vinyl. The topic IS: why is there hostility against mixing with non-vinyl?
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I don't understand why there is so much hostility towards mixing with mp3s.
>> Are people inferring that they are illegaly downloaded? Which is not always the case because, as far as i know, anyone can buy some wax and convert it into mp3.
>> Is it signficantly much easier to mix with mp3s, and therefore not as valuable? So should people get more respect if it is harder to mix? If this is the case, would a dj get more respect if he/she mixed with those wax tubes that music was pressed on in the early 1900s? (Imagine that: mixing with tubes.) Would a dj get more respect if they mixed with one limb? Where does it stop?
>> Is it a economic issue? Should dj invest in the records? As far as i can tell, the vast majority of TA here, and by inference most amateur djs posting here, are around the very early 20s and late teens and many are students and starting out in life. This demographic group is not the richest and may be among the poorest. Laying down heaps of cash is not always smart personal finance. Further, some dj are blessed to be in major metroplitan area where finding records is not a problem. But what those people in remote areas and where the mail system is not reliable (where things get "lost" in the mail).
>> Are vinyl djs making sure that not enough dj start using non-vinyl so that the vinyl industry is not forced into decline, and hence they can still keep on mixing with vinyl. In other words, vynil cds are fighting for their existence.
Perhaps there is some thead on this already but i havn't seen it, so saying "this has been discussed before" or "its so obvious that it merits no discussion" doesn't have any weight for those of us are new around here.
I don't get it. Enlighten me please. Why so much hostility?
In case you are wondering, i am not a dj or music producer.
I changed the title of the thread to better reflect the question why some peple are so hostile to all non-vinyl mixes not just mp3 mixes. |
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| D-res |
its just stupid.. i mean, a DJ uses turntables or CD decks.... turntables are better imo cause you can feel the music, and you have so much more control... its just beatiful...
anyway, what kind of skill is it to take an mp3, put it on your laptop, and have a program mix for you. anyone who does that kind of stupid crap has obviously smoked themselves retarded. there are a lot of threads about this in the DJ forums, so check there for better explanations etc |
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| Laushinameee |
| mp3 is ty compressed sound. Why would you want to convert your vinyl / CD to mp3? Youre just reducing the sound quality, a lot. |
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| Spacey Orange |
i guess that makes it one vote for "its easier to mix MP3s" and two votes for "vinyl has better sound".
BTW i'm often in the amateur dj's forum and i've never seen this discussed there. I'll read disparaging comments about mixing with mp3s but never a "why". |
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| Nite-Mer |
| I agree with the sound quality comment, but there are other reasons that I wouldn't do it. I am, for the most part, a vinyl purist. I won't start downloading tracks or buying cd singles and playing cd everywhere either. The only time playing a cd would be acceptable for me (in regards to me, everyone is different) is if I get a track or produce a track and it's not available on vinyl. I have played a couple of friends track on cd's using a cd mixer I was given, but I will not become a dj toting cd's. I can also understand a dj on tour carrying cd. They take up less space, you can have more tracks per cd than per vinyl and you can have unavailable tracks all at once. MP3 mixing on the computer takes no skill at all. My opinion anyway. |
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| Incantation_UK |
| If your mixing with something like Final Scratch though then your still mixing using the same skills as you would with vinyl. Also, mp3s can be useful for producer DJs who don't want to have to splash out on acetates which will wear out quickly. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Incantation_UK
If your mixing with something like Final Scratch though then your still mixing using the same skills as you would with vinyl. Also, mp3s can be useful for producer DJs who don't want to have to splash out on acetates which will wear out quickly. |
Just because youre using final scratch doesnt mean you have to mix with mp3. Record the music in a higher quality format. There is no reason to record as mp3 for this purpose. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| so mixing with mp3 is equally as hard? and in some cases its more convenient? this makes sense. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| how do u go about getting tracks from the likes of pvd/tiesto/sasha/digweed in mp3? |
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| JM |
its a change, its something new, and its easy. cheap...
>JM< |
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| Nite-Mer |
| I'd rather play a wav file than an mp3. But when I really get into production, I will try and figure out the best format for easy use and sound quality. I haven't really researched that yet. |
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| ThomB |
I think it all comes down to personal taste.
Many see using MP3s/ (insert other file format name here) as an indication that you don't purchase any tracks and only have illegal mp3 versions - therefore they think it appropriate to slate those 'illegal' users.
Many see it from a traditionalist standpoint. ie - A DJ is only a DJ if he/she uses media format (Vinyl or CD - in the case of CD mixing there are still those who dispute its merits)
From an economic standpoint there are several ways of looking at it.
As far as purchasing vinyl as an investment it no longer seems to be a sound move.
Regardless of what people say, vinyl is a dying medium and as more and more sites pop up selling legal mp3 files at a high kbps rate, the worse the situation for vinyl will become. Those tunes which hold any value are those which were limited runs and usually those which are fairly old. Those fortunate to live in Metro areas, as you say, are those who will continue to purchase vinyl from the source and those in more remote locations have to find other ways to satisfy their need for tunes (ie CD's / 'legal' mp3 / other sound format purchase
In the end I think the argument against mp3 etc Dj's (as long as they are doing it legally) is as futile as the one held over CD dj's in the last few years. Those people who denounce its use can't be fans of PvD, Sasha, Josh Gabriel etc without being hypocrites (sp?) all of whom DJ using a sound file from their laptop rather than an actual disc. Using CDs to DJ has become more and more commonplace. Many users of this site own a CDJ1000 or other cd turntable. With the growth of sites such as Beatport/Audiojelly etc CD DJs are going to become as normal as a man/woman using a 12' disk to spin.
Regardless of what people wish would happen the DJ and the tools he uses will constantly evolve. I for one would never have imagined a few years ago that I would use CD's to Dj with.
In another 5 years I think having every tune you own on your laptop and using programmes such as Ableton Live to DJ with will be commonplace. Using mp3 files which you have not purchased is illegal but the labels are starting to combat this by joining such sites as Beatport (eg Armada, Fundemental etc) and making tracks available to everyone at a good price.
There you go - my 2 cents - Im sure many will disagree with me - who cares? |
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