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new subway system! (wishful thinking for the TTC, lol) (pg. 9)
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| smuncky |
jay, have u ever thought about going into politics? or have u tried that already??
i think if u did, you could convey all the TOTAs thots and make them happen :) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
hmmm .. interesting ..
that's why i hate the "don't have the money" argument especially when so much of it is being squandered all the time. bring this up at the next TTC town meeting and see what'll be said in defense, i trust that it won't be very worthy ..
i wonder if our suggestions can gain leverage thru the CTF..
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I would call the CTF more of a watchdog group than a lobby group, and a quick search of their site doesn't turn up anything in particular about transportation, subways, etc. I'd imagine that popular opinion within the CTF is that it's better left to the private sector (I don't know this for sure, though).
My dad might be a member, if he is then maybe I could get him to relay a message.
Jay, you're the eternal pessimist. I'll admit, the situation is a little grim with Liberals controlling ALL levels of government right now, but they're not stupid enough to try and circumvent the CTF - the last thing the government wants is more lawsuits. The organization may not have a ton of assets but they are pretty powerful. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
jay, have u ever thought about going into politics? or have u tried that already??
i think if u did, you could convey all the TOTAs thots and make them happen :) |
all ? lol .. not if ur a socialist ;)
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I would call the CTF more of a watchdog group than a lobby group, and a quick search of their site doesn't turn up anything in particular about transportation, subways, etc. I'd imagine that popular opinion within the CTF is that it's better left to the private sector (I don't know this for sure, though).
My dad might be a member, if he is then maybe I could get him to relay a message.
Jay, you're the eternal pessimist. I'll admit, the situation is a little grim with Liberals controlling ALL levels of government right now, but they're not stupid enough to try and circumvent the CTF - the last thing the government wants is more lawsuits. The organization may not have a ton of assets but they are pretty powerful. |
I think that it was the ultimate act of betrayal on Mcguinty's part...I mean he signed it on TV and then renegs:eyespop: |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
What a stupid idea when we have a GO train that mimicks the same route. Im all for a queen st line though and connections to various GO stations along the south end as well. |
how many stops are there though? I haven't been on the Go Train for...probably years. Obviously there's Union...but is that the ONLY one in the city? Aren't the stops west and east of the station Exhibition Stadium and Danforth, respectively? I'm not saying Miller's supposed idea is a brilliant one...but I hardly think the current Go Train is really a substitute for it if those are the only stops. |
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| dEsidEL |
update:
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TTC outlines plans for dedicated bus lanes
Cheaper to build than subways
Miller says ideas are achievable
KEVIN MCGRAN
TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
The TTC unveiled a groundbreaking plan yesterday that takes the emphasis off subways and would put buses and streetcars in their own lanes in outlying areas of the city within five years.
Mayor David Miller called the study both "achievable and realistic," and TTC commissioners ordered staff to return with specific costs for the streets identified for "higher order" transit.
"This plan gives people the ability to get around this city without having to use a car," said Miller. "What this plan does in a frugal way is give us a chance to enhance our transit network."
The study, called "Building A Transit City," didn't come with a price tag, but it was believed the 16 projects recommended would cost less than $1 billion, comparatively cheap to the cost of building a subway to York University, estimated at $1.5 billion. Ten of the projects had been costed previously in the city's official plan, estimated at $500 million.
"It's the right plan," said Miller. "We can actually deliver a rapid transit network that every Torontonian can access. Compared to the cost of building subways, it's a frugal cost."
Some of the work is already under way, including plans to build busways to York University from Downsview subway station and up Yonge St. from Finch station to connect with York Region at Steeles Ave. And the city awaits word next month from the province to start building streetcar-only lanes down the centre of St. Clair Ave. W.
The study — co-written by TTC and city staff — also envisions "higher order" transit projects rolling out between now and 2008 on Eglinton Ave., Lawrence Ave., Sheppard Ave., Kingston Rd., King St., Queen St., Dundas Ave. W., Bremner Blvd., Don Mills Rd., Lake Shore Blvd. and Jane St.
The study also calls for developing waterfront streetcar lines, investigating use of hydro corridors for rapid transit, and deciding the future of the dilapidated, but popular, Scarborough Rapid Transit.
The York University subway and the completion of the Sheppard subway remain TTC longer-term priorities, but this network of "higher order" transit — which could be buses or streetcars or light rail — represents a shift away from a bus network feeding subways to a network feeding high-density, mixed-use neighbourhoods.
"There is a shift in this city," said Rick Ducharme, chief general manager of the TTC. "We're looking at avenues and see that the avenues are properly served by transit. We're trying to shift to dedicated rights of way, shift roads to transit."
`What I need is a plan in my budget that we can move on, otherwise we won't move anywhere'
Rick Ducharme, chief general manager
of the TTC
Ducharme said he presented the proposal to get transit on the city's agenda. "What I need is a plan in my budget that we can move on, otherwise we won't move anywhere," he said.
Most of the outlying roads identified are at least 36 metres wide, meaning they can support dedicated transit lanes down the centre while keeping at least four lanes for cars.
Some downtown roads, like King and Queen, are much narrower and would prove a difficult sell politically to have car restrictions.
While the study didn't define "higher order" transit, some TTC officials want to start building light rail.
Staff will return with feasibility studies comparing the cost and efficiency of various transit modes on each of the roads, including buses, streetcars and light rail.
"The answer is not subways, it has to be some kind of rapid transit in dedicated rights of way," said TTC vice-chair Joe Mihevc.
"This is the pattern that is emerging globally. We're looking at something that's not going to cost in the billions of dollars but in the hundreds of millions of dollars. It's an intermediate strategy called `rights of way.'"
The study showed the TTC is losing ground to the car in terms of market share because cars are more convenient. It's not known whether the TTC has the money for any of this. It meets Monday to discuss ways to slash about $150 million from this year's capital budget because the city simply can't afford it. Miller was hopeful that this year's budget could be met and the future properly planned for.
"This year's TTC budget is tough, but we still have to plan for the future," said Miller. "We're working with the federal and provincial governments. Rapid transit doesn't exist in this city for many commuters. We have to fix that."
Each proposal would require one to two years of environmental study and two to three years to construct.
They'd cost between $30 million and $90 million each, depending on length.
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source:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
doesn't look like there's gonna be any new subways any time soon..
i just can't believe that it costs $1.5 billion dollars to build a subway line to York University ?? wtf ?! :eyes:
kinda makes you wonder how other major cities were able to afford just an extensive subway system ..
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| RobbyG. |
| What irks the out of me is that the TTC is crying for $178 million bucks. Yet since the previous CGM David Gunn left, the TTC has reverted back to its OLD ways of hiring non essential staff and paying the current CGM Rick Ducharme WAY too high a salary for a job he's doing.David Gunn cut the TTC "fat" and streamlined the whole organization AND earning LESS per year. |
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| amb_ |
TTC needs to be seriously reformed into something else, like I posted earlier.
I wish I had more time to pursue effectiny any action with this but lately things have been hairy... |
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| smuncky |
this is like wat they already started in york region
http://www.vivayork.com/
looks pretty cool, but id rather have a subway |
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| dEsidEL |
^^^ interesting .. someday one may actually be able to take VIVA to VIVA Nightclub ..
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| Jayx1 |
The problem is that Canadians have no vision. This then gets reflected through ho hum politicians that do nothing. If these issues were really important to Canadians they would get done. If people really cared about subway systems then we would have them built. The problem is that people dont demand much when they vote. Further still they sit back and do nothing when politicians reneg on their promises. No wonder nothing ever gets done.
Also do you think 5 years of environmental studies worth 10s of millions of dollars were ever done for the yonge subway line? We have too much red tape for stuff to get done efficiently.
Cut the red tape, demand more from politicians and maybe then we will have decent subways in Toronto like just about any other major city. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The problem is that Canadians have no vision. This then gets reflected through ho hum politicians that do nothing. If these issues were really important to Canadians they would get done. If people really cared about subway systems then we would have them built. The problem is that people dont demand much when they vote. Further still they sit back and do nothing when politicians reneg on their promises. No wonder nothing ever gets done.
Also do you think 5 years of environmental studies worth 10s of millions of dollars were ever done for the yonge subway line? We have too much red tape for stuff to get done efficiently.
Cut the red tape, demand more from politicians and maybe then we will have decent subways in Toronto like just about any other major city. |
i agree with the red tape.. the stupid environmental assessment for the York University line was slated to take years and pre-planning won't even start till sometime in 2006.. rediculous
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