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| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
besides....its CHRISTMAS :D |
Everyone play nice!! :D |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
Oh dude...don't get me started with THAT guy....grrrr:mad: |
hey now. nothing in this thread needs to bring other things in. what could ryan parks have done to you?
anyways, this thread was a lighthearted rant about something stupid I saw on TV. Yes, I think it is dumb b4k-oz that you got all that mail but truly it isn't your business, you shouldn't be opening other peoples mail. the 407 can't do anything about it, if the address on the provicial files is that one then that's where they send all the info. all you would have to do is contact the provincial record keepers and let them know about it, if it was really bothering you. the problem if that guy ever says i never got my mail, it states right on the car registration that you have to notify the office within 6 days of moving.
if you were a business trying to get their money, what would you do? everyone gets stuff for other people at their house. i collect it, without opening it and when i get a big enough pile i send it all back. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
anyways, this thread was a lighthearted rant about something stupid I saw on TV. Yes, I think it is dumb b4k-oz that you got all that mail but truly it isn't your business, you shouldn't be opening other peoples mail. the 407 can't do anything about it, if the address on the provicial files is that one then that's where they send all the info. all you would have to do is contact the provincial record keepers and let them know about it, if it was really bothering you. the problem if that guy ever says i never got my mail, it states right on the car registration that you have to notify the office within 6 days of moving.
if you were a business trying to get their money, what would you do? |
Re ” You shouldn't be opening other peoples mail”
Wow there, normally I return mail unopened. I only opened it at the instruction of a 407 supervisor....to verify details of the plate. Besides, as I said b4, I lived at that address b4 407 came into force this mail should never have arrived in the first place.
I only became active about it when I was getting weekly bills, so I opened and crossed out the name and address on the bills when I sent a registered letter (I had to assume some dumb receptionist opened those I crossed out on top of the envelope and tossed the envelope).
Re Contacting the Provincial Records Keeper
Most definitely =>no one got a plate using my address. I never got any other mail for this person. It is not the Provincial Record Keepers responsibility to deal with a 407 mistake. They would have sent this mail unopened back to the 407 too.
Re: if you were a business trying to get money...what would you do?
Firstly as a business, I would find the person at the correct address and redirect the mail.
I certainly would not ignore my calls and letters. For me to get over 37 envelopes in 1 yr alone is a nuisance and I think I’d be irresponsible to ignore it, especially when 407 is trying to bill my taxpaying dollars for their mistakeAs for all future mail after my registered letter.......I left those unopened and sent them back.
So you see StereoPrincess….perhaps you judged that earlier guy you ranted of, very unfairly. Perhaps there is a need for Silverman to step in…b/c though it looks simple to you……….I assure you, it isn’t. I suspect the guy is a responsible taxpayer and saw an abuse (by 407 to his tax $$), he knew the media would fix this.
Neways it's Christmas eve and we shouldn't be thinking about negative stuff now........I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday...............Cheers! |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
So you see StereoPrincess….perhaps you judged that earlier guy you ranted of, very unfairly. Perhaps there is a need for Silverman to step in…b/c though it looks simple to you……….I assure you, it isn’t. I suspect the guy is a responsible taxpayer and saw an abuse (by 407 to his tax $$), he knew the media would fix this.
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i still stand by my view of the guy on tv. sorry. he was an idiot, he never spoke to any supervisors, he just collected 21 cents of charges a month which ended up being 1.41 in the end or something. if i saw you on silverman helps, i would have probably not said anything because that is a bother to you to get all those letters. but this guy deserved a lighthearted thread on TA. cuz it was dumb. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Message to DigiNut and JayX1
Neither of you are Democratic. You are both Capitalists. |
WOW!
How perceptive of you! You just realized this? I swear, I almost fell off my chair reading that one.
Of COURSE I'm a capitalist! I believe in the Constitutional State (i.e. the constitutional republic for USA, constitutional monarchy for Canada) - and guess what - we LIVE in a Constitutional state! NOT a democracy! There is absolutely nothing moral or logical about "majority rules."
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
I am saying that everytime the 407 ETR toll charges comes on the news that there is a mention that with all the fees & toll charges, 407 ETR is the most expensive toll road in North America...If I had a link I would provide it here for you to rpove that fact...If I am wrong then PLEASE provide the facts that I am wrong |
Oh yes, that's rich. "I have no evidence to support my claim, but everyone should assume I'm right until you can provide evidence to prove me wrong."
You know who else uses that logic? CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS. It's a classic argument from ignorance, and I won't indulge in disputing it.
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
I lived at that address b4 407 came into force this mail should never have arrived in the first place. |
So what does that prove? Maybe the licensee was extremely irresponsible and hadn't updated his address in several years. Or maybe he transposed the numbers on it and the address was just plain wrong.
| quote: | Re Contacting the Provincial Records Keeper
Most definitely =>no one got a plate using my address. I never got any other mail for this person.
The only people who send mail to the registered owner of a license plate are the MTO, the OPP/city police, and the 407. Unless this person had cause to receive mail from the first two organizations, obviously you would not have received any other mail for him.
[QUOTE]It is not the Provincial Record Keepers responsibility to deal with a 407 mistake. They would have sent this mail unopened back to the 407 too. |
You're right - except that it's not a 407 mistake, it's a mistake in the records. In that case the responsibility is split between the record keeper and the person who was supposed to update their records.
| quote: | | Firstly as a business, I would find the person at the correct address and redirect the mail. |
HOW? Would you like the 407 billing dep't to just shout out to the wind, WHO REALLY OWNS THIS LICENSE PLATE? The only place they can get this information from is the government, and the only place the government can get its information from is the guy who owns the plate!
| quote: | | So you see StereoPrincess….perhaps you judged that earlier guy you ranted of, very unfairly. Perhaps there is a need for Silverman to step in…b/c though it looks simple to you……….I assure you, it isn’t. I suspect the guy is a responsible taxpayer and saw an abuse (by 407 to his tax $$), he knew the media would fix this. |
I don't get how tax dollars come into this - the 407 is a contract between an organization and an individual, no government is involved and therefore no taxes are involved. I'm sure he's a "responsible taxpayer" but that doesn't mean he's responsible about everything else.
Honestly - try for even a split second to put yourself in the shoes of the 407 - what exactly do you expect them to do when they are relying on provincial records to do their billing and the provincial records are wrong? I'm sure what actually happened was that after you contacted the 407 and told them that the address was wrong, the 407 contacted the MTO and said that the license and registration was wrong and asked the MTO to correct it. And the MTO, like every other arm of the Ontario government, said they'd get right on it and never fixed the problem! THAT is why you have continued to receive bills!
Trust me - corporate billing departments try VERY VERY HARD to make sure all their information is correct. Otherwise, they won't get their money!
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Oh and one other thing: it's wonderful that you've had articles published but that doesn't give any credence to your arguments here. Maybe if you were a well-known and respected economist and had published a best-selling book on the subject, THEN I would be somewhat inclined to accept the things you say on the basis of authority alone. But you work for the GOVERNMENT! Now that obviously does not make you ignorant and does not make your arguments automatically wrong, but it does mean that you have to back up your assertions with concrete evidence or cogent logic just as the rest of us do. I don't think there's anything on your resume that's going to make me go "Oh , I'd better keep my mouth shut because she's obviously an expert on the subject." |
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| Jayx1 |
Someone tried to argue a parking issue with me recently by saying "well i work for a lawyer"
I responded by saying "well i work for santa claus but that doesnt mean anything. If you were to tell me you were a bylaw officer then maybe id believe you." BTW she was wrong... :D |
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| Spam |
| No no Jay and Digi... you guys are wrong. It doesn't matter what facts you have or what reasons you have for your opinions, but you're just plain wrong. I say so. Because you're evil capitalists. And... you're both poopie-heads. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i still stand by my view of the guy on tv. sorry. he was an idiot, he never spoke to any supervisors, he just collected 21 cents of charges a month which ended up being 1.41 in the end or something. |
OK, maybe I can see your point now. If he never contacted anyone then it can be a dumb thing for a silverman show.
As for DigiNut & Jayx1...I'm surprised at how spiritually negative you guys behave. You need to step back and be more respectful of fellow TA's. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt you to be humble once and a while....and you might find that u gain more friends that way too.
Neways, I'm not here to compete with anyone....I happen to like TA's and think that many of them are quite articulate and interesting....and I only posted an example of an incident........that I felt was inequitable. I didn't come here for politics, I prefer to do that elsewhere.
Since Chanukah is over, then I hope you both have a happy holiday. |
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| Jayx1 |
| Ive never offered up anything more than an opinion on here for the express interest in learning how other's feel about certain topics. If my opinion is enough to offend someone then i cant help that. As for making friends? hey if i happen to make some here (and there are a lot of good people here) then its all good but thats not the reason im on TA. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
As for DigiNut & Jayx1...I'm surprised at how spiritually negative you guys behave. You need to step back and be more respectful of fellow TA's. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt you to be humble once and a while....and you might find that u gain more friends that way too. |
Wow, you're big on assumptions these days, now you know exactly how many friends I have! In case you hadn't noticed, I've debated *against* Jay on numerous occasions but that doesn't make me respect him any less.
Look. I'm not being negative or positive - I'm being objective. I never at any point said that I didn't respect you as a person. I respect you as a person, but I don't respect your opinion on this particular topic, because it is unfounded and patently wrong. I don't have to respect everybody's opinion on anything. Anybody who persists in preaching the "open mind" or bashes the "black-and-white world view" is living in a fantasy world. Some opinions are unsubstantiated and unobjective. Some opinions are downright incorrect. Some are born out of anger or hurt.
I'm sorry that it bothers so many people on this board that I happen to be a strong debater, but in case you guys hadn't noticed, I'm not the one that starts the debates. I just respond to comments that are inflammatory or promote the spread of misinformation. There are people on this board who've made me respect their opinions even though I disagree with them, by being able to explain them logically based on a set of non-hostile principles they believe in. There are others who persist in debating even though they are unable to back up any of their assertions. If you want me to "play nice" with you, then do yourself a favour and be a member of the first group.
There are a disturbing number of far-Left members of this board who base all their opinions merely on a "corporations are evil, capitalism is evil, USA is evil" principle, who think that anything these entities do is inherently wrong. Most of that is based on pop liberal mythology about these things, like the idea that corporations pay all their employees minimum wage, treat them like , and produce sub-standard products or sell sub-standard services. Or that the Americans are plotting some devious scheme to take over the world. Or that anybody who pursues their own self-interest by definition has no concept of charity and that all Capitalists are greedy sons of bitches (I challenge you to find ONE person who would call me a cheapskate and have a legitimate reason for doing so). Most of these comments come from people who work at minimum-wage jobs or who have never worked in the private sector at all. If I heard these comments from a 16-year-old, I could chalk it up to inexperience, but anybody over the age of 25 ought to know better: THESE MYTHS AREN'T TRUE.
And w/r/t calling that guy an idiot (I RARELY dispense personal insults on this forum): I happen to find it offensive when someone says that people who try to cheat businesses (like the 407) should get away with it because the corporation is "gouging" them. I'm a little young for it right now but at some point I plan to run one of these corporations, and I don't want to think about little brats trying to steal from my company because our "prices are too high". Stealing is immoral no matter how high those prices are; being negligent with bill payments is irresponsible and deserves punishment; and anyone who doesn't think so IS AN IDIOT.
I'm sorry if I'm bringing "hostility" into an otherwise peaceful Leftist world by having a strong opinion ( :rolleyes: ), and I certainly don't mean to disrespect anybody in a personal sense (with the notable exception of the above paragraph), but hear this: I do not have to accept yours, or anybody else's opinion. Accepting assertions that are wrong is not "humility" and it is certainly not "tolerance", it's just pure stupidity. If I have to agree with everything someone says in order to "make friends" with them, I don't want them as a friend. Friends are supposed to be able to duke it out and put up with crap from each other, not just nod their heads all the time and go "whoooaaaa, you're right!"
If you want to find out whether or not I'm truly a hateful and disrespectful human being then I invite you to sit down with me and debate these issues over a coffee or a drink and see for yourself (not at clubs though, that's my "wind-down" time). And if you've already decided that you don't like me and aren't interested in that offer - as I imagine some people already have - then that is your perogative and it's perfectly fine, but don't try to pass judgment on me as a person without knowing me.
Happy holidays, folks! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
If I have to agree with everything someone says in order to "make friends" with them, I don't want them as a friend. Friends are supposed to be able to duke it out and put up with crap from each other, not just nod their heads all the time and go "whoooaaaa, you're right!"
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Touche!! |
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| Spam |
| You two take a lot of crap for your (generaly) conservative views... Don't worry, some of us can still handle ourselves in a debate without crying or degenerating to a "I said so" argument. |
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