|
Vinyls vs. CDs (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Kia Kaha |
CD's - or rather, MP3's burned onto CD. You can just get way more tunes, long before they're released in a lot of cases and therefore before any of the vinyl jocks get their hands on them. And of course it's slightly more economical :D It's the same music regardless of how it's recorded, and I agree with ABT that you can produce a good mix on any medium without violating the so called 'DJ spirit'.
Has it occurred to you guys that most commercial mix CD's, including the ones allegedly 'mixed' by the likes of Julesy, Oakenfold or Tiesto, are actually done in studios using bloody great recording desks, £20,000 worth of Pro Tools software and a few weeks worth of studio engineering? They still sound bloody fine to me at the end of the day.
There seems to be a general consensus amongst all of us, it looks and feels cooler to do it with vinyls when you're playing live ... so maybe what we need to solve this argument is for someone to invent a vinyl recorder we can plug into our PC's. |
|
|
| Ur Dream Grl |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
Ah, careful with that. Mauro back spins quite a bit, there is nothing wrong with his mixing, I love it! |
So Do I.. hehehe
Well I dindt think this topic was going to bring some arguments.. oh well sorry!
I just wanted opinions.. and Im glad u guys responded to it.. because I do agree with somethings u said...like I know how TurboGs said that most people dont care if the Dj dont backspin or scratch... dude Im sorry but..I dont know ,but for some reason I dont believe in that quote...
I know some people go to see Djs just for the music.. and it is Ok.. Like I do go see oakenfold all the time without even expecting him to scratch because Im there for his music...
But when it comes to certain Djs..like Nick sentience.. mauro..Or gielen.. then I dont believe that the "music" is the only reason people go see them..they are expecting more of them.. and if they arent.. then they dont really know what they are capable of .
my other 2 cents..
:p
xoxo Ur Dream Grl |
|
|
| Eugene |
what makes u think u can't scratch CD's?
Nowadays with the new technology you can... |
|
|
| Wicked Neo |
| quote: | Originally posted by TurboGS-R
ok here's my 2 cents
i personally don't think there's anything wrong with CD mixing. the methods might be a little different from spinning vinyls but it still requires skill to do it.
|
I agree with you, in some circumstances CD will be the preferred format to use, as i said in my previous post, CD has its place althou i still prefer Vinyl but who knows in the future ?
| quote: |
also i disagree on that traktor is easy for everyone. its not. i've sent it to friends who were interested in playing with it and they didn't know how to do jack. it takes time and effort to get it together and know how to use the program so that your mixing will sound as seemless as the program allows you to.
|
Traktor is a great application, I love to use it when i cant get my decks out at home, its superb for working out what set u may like to spin at a later date, u can work out cue points, fade points the BPM of a track, all sorts of things and No it's not easy for some ppl to use, it takes practice as do a great many things. However i find it pretty easy to use and i dont mind making a set i have done in Traktor available for DL :)
| quote: |
whether it be big parties or small little parties, there is a common goal. to bring the best music possible to the crowd and i don't think mixing without vinyls hardly takes any of that quality away. sure you lose the backspins, scratching and all that but then again not everyone loves that kinda anyway.
|
Again a great point made there, that is of course the goal, to make the ppl who have prolly paid to see u and who have come for a good time, to give them that good time, i would say 70% of them would not care if u are using CD / Vinyl / MP3 as long as the music is good and they can dance to it
| quote: |
i've seen people say DJ's who backspin often is because they can't mix, they up the set because they scratch and scratch and scratch. perfect examples? DJ Jean, Johan Gielen. on top of that DJ's like Armin who uses vinyl (of course) hardly ever uses the backspin. atleast from all of those livesets that i have heard he doesn't. so is it really that much of a disadvantage or that much degrading using cd's instead of vinyls? i don't believe it is.
|
Picotto uses the back spin to good effect as does Judge Jules, but its simply another technique that DJ's use, u can do backspins in Traktor but as i have never mixed with CD i would not know how to try to acheive it with those.
But as U said some DJ's mess it up so bad and u cant help thinking WHY ? why the hell did u do that and ruin the beat, LOL
| quote: |
anyway thats what i feel and guys chillax. its only a forum. :)
|
Too damn right ! And any more personal attacks and this thread will have to be closed :(
YellowBee, i find the use of your sex to try to win an arguement very poor and in bad taste,There are girls on this forum who have had to work hard and taken a lot of effort to be taken seriuosly and now they do get the respect that they so rightly deserve.
| quote: | Originally posted by YELLOWBEE
I m sorry if you cant take an opinion from a girl.
|
There are many ppl on these forums that do take opinions from the female memebers of TA.com very seriously indeed and value and respect those opinions and Eugene is one of those ppl.
Some of the posts on here are not thought thru and that is what leads to the flame wars, just cos its a forum and not face to face with a person does not mean that anyone can start bitching off at anyone they feel like.
If someone called you a bitch in the street u would take offence, and this place is no different. Stop the FLAMES ppl and think before you post.
Dream Girl started a good thread here and got some good intelligent replies to an interesting topic, i don't want to close this thread cos of some flames :(
Back on Topic now :)
CD / Vinyl / MP3 each are great mediums to play music with and each one has their place
but my personal favorite for now is Vinyl :)
Peace :)
|
|
|
| TurboGS-R |
ok i know i've said a lot of things in the last two posts and the ideas i intended to put might have gotten all muddled up. :(
yes, i agree there are DJ's that you listen to and expect them to do stuff like scratch, cross fading, backspinning. i do too. i expect johan to mix it up making it more fun to listen to his sets.
i haven't heard armin or ferry backspin before. maybe they have and still do, but the times they haven't and don't i felt like i didn't miss anything. backspinning is something that i don't really anticipate them doing anyway. thats what i mean when i say nobody misses it. only for those DJ's that aren't known to do that. so basically, faye, we are in agreement. sort of anyway. :p
also i never said that this has anything to do with their skills. its just that i kept going on and on and went slightly off topic. sorry i do that sometimes. anyway its all about different styles.
i'm not bashing any DJ or whatever. those bad comments about DJ Jean and Johan Gielen were what i heard/read from these forums before. not my own opinion. my own opinion on this was that i love scractching/backspins.
i hope everyone is clear on what i'm trying to say now. ;)
EDIT - despite confusing a lot of people with my jibberish its nice to see i got through to one person. :cool:
thanks neo |
|
|
| Starfox |
Vinyl. i preffer Vinyl.
but for example.. hehe... if there is a new track, where you cannot get a Promo of it, you can get mp3 hehe.. and then you burn to CD and there you go hehe... Promo CD =p hehehe
;)
f0x |
|
|
| Eugene |
I find it amusing how she said "you can't take it from a girl" in the SAME POST where she said this:
| quote: | Originally posted by YELLOWBEE
is it time of the month for you,
|
:D :D lol :stongue: :stongue:
does she know i'm a GUY? hahahaha
makes me wonder if she's OK :eek: |
|
|
| kurai |
Mixing with CDs might be useful for Promos and stuff you can't get on vinyl, but imagine if every DJ would use CDs instead of Vinyl. I admit that I don't to pay a lot of money just to listen to some music, therefore I'm very happy that MP3s exist, but what about the vinyl? I think they are a bringing a lot of money to the producers and in my opinion it's good like that. But what happens if they lose this money? How could THEY get paid for their work? That's their job and I think some artists would ponder about that situation and consider stopping their work like that. A lot of music can be copied digitally, but Vinyls are still "old style", you can't simply copy them. The big DJs get the Vinyls for promotional use, so the other (not so famous) DJs will buy the record and play it.. Not everybody's in a DJ Pool of course.
I know that this situation probably won't happen, but just mentioning that next to the MP3 they would lose another income. MP3 for private use is ok, but for public.. |
|
|
| Wicked Neo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
I find it amusing how she said "you can't take it from a girl" in the SAME POST where she said this:
:D :D lol :stongue: :stongue:
does she know i'm a GUY? hahahaha
makes me wonder if she's OK :eek: |
Eugene, can we stop the attacks / sarcasim now please, i just made a post about this on this thread and said i dont want to close this thread, please read my post on page 2 of this thread.
Thank you
|
|
|
| Excite |
I think ya'll are missing out on an important point here. The sound quality of a new vinyl is unsurpassed even by DVD audio. Why? The reaon is that vinyl audio is ANALOG and CD/DVD audio is digital. Digital audio is represented as binary information (1's and 0's) and therefore must be sampled. Sound by nature is analog (free flowing curved waves), not digital.
for more info: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm |
|
|
| Ur Dream Grl |
OK... I think wicked neo is right.. can we just go on with the topic plis??
anyways.. Eugene you asked me "what makes me think that you can't scratch a cd or backspin?"
Ok.. correct me if Im wrong.. Im not an expert at the subject ...
Now..I know that the technology is so advanced and it makes it easier everyday... I know that you can digitally add scatches and backspins to a cd before performing it to the public.. but theres no way you can do phisically do that...
I was reading an article that said something like this...
"Although there is a wide variety of material available on new CD technologies and equipments, it still doesn't seem to be taking over from vinyl records yet, and shows no sign of ever doing so. That's probably because the whole art of DJing is 'hands on', and hands on is the one thing CDs will never be. The centrepiece of the DJ studio will always be the twin decks and mixer..."
And that is ecxactly what i was thinking all along.
xoxo Ur Dream Grl |
|
|
| Eugene |
Dream Girl, on the contrary.
There are CD players that let you do a scratch effect "on the fly" much as you would with vinyl, the only thing is that you wouldn't be dragging the record with your hands. But I believe there are switches and wheels for that. If you want I'll find a description or web page about that.
What you're talking about in all your posts is that, in your opinion, a DJ must "move around" i.e. do stuff with his hands, handle records, etc. That's how it is with vinyl, and it's certainly a valid point. I'm just saying, don't think that if a DJ doesn't move around but uses CD players instead, the mix will come out crappy or bad or unprofessional. It's possible to achieve an amazing mix (both technically and artistically) by using only CD players (no vinyl), and there are certainly a lot of DJ's out there that do that. Realize that.
By the way, if a DJ uses CD's he still moves around. Just thought I'd say that. |
|
|
|
|
