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Why do men hate "queers"? (pg. 13)
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
None of the things you mention are normal to the general population, however, to state that nothing is normal shows a failure in logic that I would not expect from you. The definition of normal mandates that something must be normal as normal is whatever the prevailing custom/attitude/attribute/condition/action is in a given environment or situation. If "nothing is normal" then abnormality is normal therefore everything is normal. Come on Kroot you smarter then this arguement of yours suggests.
No one is equating normal or abnormal with any value judgement here, all that was said was that homosexuality is not normal. If you can somehow prove that the prevailing sexual orientation of humans is toward homosexuality then I may be tempted to change my positions, however, to say that homosexuality is normal demonstraits a very poor understanding of the word and is just plain incorrect. |
I was being a bit loose with my implied statement. :p
Normality is something that should be defined by each persons individual perception of what is normal, but life doesnt work that way, and it's more a case of averages, which also works.
The thing about it being not normal, which it is from a biological/reproductive viewpoint, is just that. Viewpoints alter normality.
For example, you, a non locust worshipping individual, go visit a country wear locusts are worshipped.
Whilst this is not normal for you, it is no less normal for the people in that country doing said worshipping.
The thing about the whole 'Being gay isn't normal' statement, is that whilst on many levels it is true, it has a negative connotation, when it technically isn't a negative thing (this obviously varies from viewpoint to viewpoint).
Also, my break has finished, so I gotta get back on the phones... *runs* |
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| Slylee |
the only reason why it doesn't seem "normal" is just because your is meant for ting, and guys cannot get pregnant by guys and girls cannot get pregnant by girls...u know the whole reproduction thing...
simple as that.
it shouldn't be argued whether or not it's normal, it's just a matter of whether or not you accept it. i'm kinda mixed. i don't mind gay couples or whatever, but i dunno about letting gay couples raise kids. only because a good friend of mine growing up was raised that way (2 moms) and she was really ed up over it. looking back (i didn't find out that her "aunt" was her mom's gf until years after we graduated), it really affected her and probably made her feel out of place, etc... so yea, it would be really hard on a kid...but then again, i suppose it's better to be raised by a loving gay couple rather than be in a ed up foster home. so u can see why i'm mixed... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
I was being a bit loose with my implied statement. :p
Normality is something that should be defined by each persons individual perception of what is normal, but life doesnt work that way, and it's more a case of averages, which also works.
The thing about it being not normal, which it is from a biological/reproductive viewpoint, is just that. Viewpoints alter normality.
For example, you, a non locust worshipping individual, go visit a country wear locusts are worshipped.
Whilst this is not normal for you, it is no less normal for the people in that country doing said worshipping.
The thing about the whole 'Being gay isn't normal' statement, is that whilst on many levels it is true, it has a negative connotation, when it technically isn't a negative thing (this obviously varies from viewpoint to viewpoint).
Also, my break has finished, so I gotta get back on the phones... *runs* |
I agree with you that normal changes based on location and circumstance. My position that homosexuality is not normal is based on a generalization to the world population. Because homosexuallity is not the prevailing sexual orientation in the human population it is not normal to the human population.
I further agree that something being characterized as abnormal does often cast a negative connotation to it, however, I am not willing to change the language because someone may be offended by a connotation that they themselves are applying to the word. The word normal does not concern itself with value. Normal does not equal good, abnormal does not equal bad.
Personally I could care less about anyone's sexual orientation... except my fiancee, I really hope she doesn't turn out to be a lesbian and just in the closet.... that may not bode well for our marriage. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| i don't hate ppl because of their sexual preferences i only hate the individual |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
the only reason why it doesn't seem "normal" is just because your is meant for ting, and guys cannot get pregnant by guys and girls cannot get pregnant by girls...u know the whole reproduction thing...
simple as that.
it shouldn't be argued whether or not it's normal, it's just a matter of whether or not you accept it. i'm kinda mixed. i don't mind gay couples or whatever, but i dunno about letting gay couples raise kids. only because a good friend of mine growing up was raised that way (2 moms) and she was really ed up over it. looking back (i didn't find out that her "aunt" was her mom's gf until years after we graduated), it really affected her and probably made her feel out of place, etc... so yea, it would be really hard on a kid...but then again, i suppose it's better to be raised by a loving gay couple rather than be in a ed up foster home. so u can see why i'm mixed... |
I understand where you're coming from with your position for gay couples raising children, but you have to consider the fact that your friend was raised at a time where just to talk about the idea of a gay couple raising a child was taboo. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
I understand where you're coming from with your position for gay couples raising children, but you have to consider the fact that your friend was raised at a time where just to talk about the idea of a gay couple raising a child was taboo. |
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The truth is that we have no idea what if any differing effect being raised by homosexual parents and heterosexual parents will have on a child because there are not enough case studies of children being raised by openly homosexual couples from which to extrapolate any meaningful conclusions. Moreover, because the attitudes towards openly homosexual couples raising children would likely change in one way or another if this became more widespread any case studies from the here and now would be skewed and not predictive of future results. The only way to know for sure would be to allow homosexuals to raise children within an openly homosexual relationship and then compare the socialization of those children to that of a control group over the course of their developement.
My guess is that there would be very little difference between the two groups. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Why do men hate "queers"? |
I like Jason and I hate you. Weird huh? :p |
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| The Greek |
| I agree with Moral Hazard. Abnormal is not negative in itself. Plus, the locust worshipping analogy does not apply because that would be a regional/cultural phenomenon. Culture and nature are obviously different. If a cut off island of people developed a culture of homosexuality they would die out in one generation. So while that behavior in that case is cultural and normal to them, naturaly speaking they would be doomed to extinction of their people. That is why homosexuality is not normal. But remember, not normal does not mean bad. It just does not work when it comes passing down our genes. You have to remember that we are all humans, and they way we procreate is through male and female joining. Oh, and it drives me nuts when I read that you are racist if you hate gays. You are not racist. Gay people are not a race. You are prejudice. :) |
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| pipedreams |
| in case anyone was confused the reason homosexuality is not normal is because if the whole world was homosexual there would be no whole world. But that takes a few hours to put into words and a few aeons to figure out. |
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| pipedreams |
| nevermind i posted without reading the post above me. |
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| kush paintings |
| Haven't you s heard of norms? take a sociology class pick your heads out of your asses and come to realize that homosexuality threatens masculinity, which is a basic guideline for how males should lead their lives in society and is essential to the functioning of society. |
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| jonSun |
| Gays bring alot of styles to clothes, so keep up the good work queers.:gsmile: |
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