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Why do men hate "queers"? (pg. 8)
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Originally posted by TyBy7996
Ok,I not one of abts fan, but I have to agree with everything he said.
He never said he doesnt like Fags, some of you ppl need to learn to comprehend.
I HATE FAGS, so what? gotta a problem with that?? there I said it, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? hate me because i believe different than a lot of ppl in here, I just happen to have the guts to come out here and say it, and i dont give a about what replies i am going to get, just like i dont give a about those fags think of me...ing other guys in the ass is just disgusting, GIVE ME A ING BREAK.
and I also hate them , because everytime you go to Keys, they try to attack you, they have no respect for the straight community, so why would i have respect for them?
also I hate seeing them kissing each other in front of kids, where is all the respect for kids? they sure have no respect at all, I can say it, cause i have a gay cousin, and I tell him all the time ,so i have the right to say it cuase it runs in the family.
AND BSE, you must be a fag or something, if you are so worried about what ppl think.
THERE you got your answer, are you happy now?
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Listen to me, you little bastard. :mad:
..wait..let me stop laughing at you.................................................................................................I'll tell you when I'm done..........................................................................
Ok..I think..nope..........................................................................................
Ok ok. seriously though.. You ing dork. *lmao* |
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| {b.s.e.} |
This is my favorite line, ever:
I can say it, cause i have a gay cousin, and I tell him all the time ,so i have the right to say it cuase it runs in the family.
I wish there was a smilie that just laughed and laughed.. cuz that's what I'm doing.
You might want to try and hide that ungodly sized L on your forehead, buddy, you might get stuck in a door frame or something. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| Like all dogs.. they gotta die sometime.. kill this one. :D |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ur Dream Grl
well i personally have nothing against the gay community.. i've worked in a hair salon/spa for two years with 90% of gay co-worker males.. i remember that when some of my guy friends will come over to visit me at work.. i'd have like a gay co-worker.. say stuff like.. "uhh ,who is that??"...
"introduce me to him"... i thought it was like so cute and funny...and i got to know them so well. they would even tell me about their sexual life with their boyfriends.. it was so cool cause they'd always ask me for advice and stuff.. I guess u have to get to know their way of life to actually have respect for them... and no i dont think that gay guys attack other guys when they know they are not gay.. thats something that they just dont do.
NOW.. another story.. I kinda grew up with this girl (maria)... we were like bestest friends...and she had boyfriends before.. but one day she just turned GAY.. out of the blue.. just like that.. she dumped the guy to be with this girl... but she didnt want to be with that girl for a long time.. and guess who she fell in love with???
.. yup.. ME...
did i lose respect for her?? NOPE.. she is still my friend..we talk on the phone all the time ...she still is a great friend...but i do try to avoid being alone with her or being around her ...
because she doesnt like me as a friend.. she likes me as more than that..it is just weird...but i dont avoid her because shes a lesbian...i just dont want to be around her cause she starts talking about her feelings.. and i dont want to deal with it..
xoxo Ur Dream Grl
PS Harley.. check pm :P |
Yeah, I agree.. I find it amusing gays check me out at bars (gay ones of course). I'm not used to this (uh) gazing..
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I can see why you would avoid your best friend.. It would be the same scenario if one of my close (uh) guy friend said that to mE! I would seriously jump out my friggin skin if that happen! :eek:
u4ea *Brrr |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by j_spot
I am a man
I am straight
I do not hate 'queers'(a term I find quite derogatory)
hmm..so looks like all men dont hate queers. In fact, one of my closest friends is gay..BUT I see a few downsides to this.
1)He's better looking than I am, guess who gets the ladies? HIM
2)Dancin @ a club, somebody grabs my ass, im excited, and guess what? ITS HIM!
3)Cant check out ladies w/ him, and hes always fooling me into checkin men out w/ him. BAH!
All in all, he is NORMAL, but has 1 difference, hed rather go back to the sack with a man as opposed to a woman. So be it. UNLESS they are strictly religous (and u can be slightly religous and still be okay w/ homosexuals, in fact if u arent strictly religious, you have very FEW reasons as why NOT to be homosexual) I think ANYBODY who is against or insults same sex marriages, or tries to limit their civic freedoms is even more 'damned' come the end of it all.
Dont hate me cuz im right |
BWAHAHA -> 2 and 3.. :D
as for the topic, it doesn't necessary has to be men. it boils down to the image from ethnocentric programming. We are programmed from birth to believe, think, and act this way. It's all subliminal.. Only those who are more liberal can accept sexual orientation as a birthright and freedom of personal choice.
it's also pathocentric if you view the it from religious intolerance.
KtP |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar]
BWAHAHA -> 2 and 3.. :D
as for the topic, it doesn't necessary has to be men. it boils down to the image from ethnocentric programming. We are programmed from birth to believe, think, and act this way. It's all subliminal.. Only those who are more liberal can accept sexual orientation as a birthright and freedom of personal choice.
it's also pathocentric if you view the it from religious intolerance.
KtP |
hello back soulstar... haven't seen U for a hile, away or just me?
anyway, I am for the choice of one in this problem. although I do think it is not normal, I guess this is a phenomenon (things that aren't alright) that goes on frequently nowadays. this is just an example.
I hate ppl (like some that posted on the forum... "why, it is the Prince of Cats") that just go " fags", bc this doesn't prove a point... sorry, I know this stuff has been posted before, so I will stop repeating... [/parrot] just give it a rest... that's not the attitude to get friends and make a point |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
hello back soulstar... haven't seen U for a hile, away or just me?
anyway, I am for the choice of one in this problem. although I do think it is not normal, I guess this is a phenomenon (things that aren't alright) that goes on frequently nowadays. this is just an example.
I hate ppl (like some that posted on the forum... "why, it is the Prince of Cats") that just go " fags", bc this doesn't prove a point... sorry, I know this stuff has been posted before, so I will stop repeating... [/parrot] just give it a rest... that's not the attitude to get friends and make a point |
Oh shame on me, I goofed up. :( I was careless that I didn't elaborate further but left it open to interpretation... Heck, my last sentence came out like mashed potatoes.
I'll leave it at that rather than try to justified my last post.
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| Renegade |
Well, I've obviously been living under a rock for the past couple of months and only just read the entire way through this thread. :rolleyes:
Anyway, some interesting points here, guess it's time for me to bore you all and chip in with my two cents:
| quote: | as for the topic, it doesn't necessary has to be men. it boils down to the image from ethnocentric programming. We are programmed from birth to believe, think, and act this way. It's all subliminal.. Only those who are more liberal can accept sexual orientation as a birthright and freedom of personal choice.
it's also pathocentric if you view the it from religious intolerance. |
I'm going to leave the matter of religious morality aside for the time being (which I could write pages on just by itself) and focus on your concept of "ethnocentric programming".
Firstly, I will agree that much of what we believe about the world, and much of how we view it is derived directly from what we were taught or what we were able to learn via example. But approaching this issue from an individual perspective - as opposed to a societal one - the way in which we, as human beings, are "programmed" to function are inherently similar. The theories devised in a book of psychology are - and have to be - just as applicable to any given human being as to any other. While I'm not arguing that morailty - or the abject views of any human being - are in any way congenitally set, but the way in which our hardware has been wired means, essentially, that different people are likely to reach the same conclusion for the same reasons, even if they are completely isolated from one another in every way.
Thus we have a sort of "chicken and egg" problem: does the morality of society as a whole propogate itself in the views of the individuals within it, or do the individuals themselves create the societal morals? It is, undoubtedly, a bit of both, but I'd be leaning towards the latter of the two alternatives. If there is a societal value, we can usually analyse how it may have arose within our collective human psyche in the first place, by analysing how it can arise in an isolated individual.
Given the human concept of masculinity, I can tell you exactly men "hate" homosexuals without understanding why: it ilicits insecurity of their own masculinity. A man finds the sight of two men copulating to be disgusting because it goes against every biological urge in his body: it ridicules his role as the warrior, the protector, the father. A man feels insecure about the thought of homosexuals because it revolts against every preconceived image (societal or inherent, it doesn't matter) of what he believes a man should be. It is natural, in this sense, for "masculine" males to feel uncomfortable around "effeminate" males (and vice versa, I'm quite sure).
If we take a look at the possible psychological reasons, as opposed to the slightly more "biological" ones above, then we could identify a slightly different rationale behind homophobia: insecurity about one's own sexuality. If you're an advocate of Freudian psychology, you'll doubtless be aware that the majority of people - staunchly heterosexual or not - have some measure of homosexual impulses deep within them. Now I'll leave it up to you all to decide whether you've had "homosexual impulses" or not, but for a man with the inherent, biological impulse that revolts him away from homosexuality, in coupling with the unenlightened societal view that homosexuality is somehow wrong or perverse, having the slightest homosexual urge causes him to revolt against himself and hate himself for the deep-seated impulses he has no control over. A man who, for biological and societal reasons, hates homosexuality, and then is then struck with such an impulse, can only begin to hate himself for it, and then begin to look for people to take it out on.
I believe, genuinely, that anyone who beats up gays (not necessarily referring to you DJ O'Callaghan) is simply transferring his inward antipathy towards his own emotional insecurity onto the "tangible enemy": one who represents everything they hate about themselves. To beat up a homosexual is to be subservient to the Freudian concept of "over-compensation": the only way I can prove to myself - and to others - that I am a bona fide heterosexual is to explicity display my disdain for homosexuals.
I don't know, perhaps I'm delving too deeply into what is really just an issue of "inherited morality", but this is just a view I've manufactured given what I've read.
Oh, and I suppose that this is the right time to point out that I am not homo-sexual, though nor do I have anything against them. Homosexuality, I believe, is still primarily the result of environmental factors - despite evidence existing for latent homosexual impulses in every human being - and that homosexuality is simply a sexual preference, no different to any other sexual preference one may have. Personally the thought of homosexual sex doesn't "do it" for me (unless we're talking about two women...... :rolleyes: ) but I still respect those who have taken that path, for the same reason that I can still respect people who like vanilla icecream even though I view chocolate as the tastier dish.
Having said all this, and made clear my indifference towards homosexuality, I must make it clear that I do side with ABT and am opposed to homosexuals being allowed to adopt children.
It has nothing to do with any doubts I have regarding their ability as parents, or their ability to love their child as well as heterosexual parents, it's simply that no amount of "love" or "good parenting" can over-ride the fact bringing a child up within a homosexual household is not, in my opinion, congenial to the best interests of the child. Essentially the decision for "socially infertile" individuals (which, in my mind, is little more than, a popular PC euphamism for something slightly less harmless - be it homosexuals or partnerless men or women) to have children via IVF is often a selfish decision that hasn't properly taken into consideration the rights of the child. I'm not saying that all "socially fertile" individuals put any more thought into - or are any better at caring for - children, but this actually just goes to highlight my point.
Anyway, at this point I have neither the time nor the inclination to delve into exactly why it is I feel this way (it's 3.47am), but I would be happy to cite why it is that I feel this way for anyone who's interested at a later date.
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
Renegade, you have been living onder a rock! heheh ...This thread is dead, that's why I never bother to justify my post. (which you did, thanks)
I'll just say being fem is being on the cool side male.
u4ea *I am Yin
EDIT: The individual is part of the collective. The whole that exerts pressure on the individual, no matter what his/her value system is. Given that an individual has a powerful need to belong to that whole, I thought of the psychology behind group think: the desire to achieve consensus and avoid dissent.
Studies were done where like 5 individuals were involved in a multiple choice questionaire. 1 person doesn't know it's a study, the other 4 (group) knows. Before the session started, this targeted-person strongly expressed he (black guy) would never cave to some kind of group pressure.
To be brief, the 'group' started giving out the right answers to the questions and 'black guy' did his part. Slowly, each person in the group would deliberately give the wrong answer. Each answer the black guy gave was slower and more contemplative, but the right one. Next, the group chose to give the wrong answer on every questioned asked. Eventually, the black guy caved and went along with the group's answers.
This is another form of societal pressure I'm talking about. |
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| mentalbarter |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
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