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u know for a trance board, alot of u are so anal about what music is not cheese (pg. 11)
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| Blue Balls |
new order
morisey
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old? yes. But was their music cheesey? no.
Here is my defintion of cheese
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
I disagree with you.
Here is why.
There is a difference between preference and cheese imo. You can choice to listen to quality trance or quality prog. But the difference is not in the sustance of the music but rather the genre. However, the choice to listen to cheese is one of musical sustance rather than of genre.
There is Cheese Trance. There is Cheese Techno. There is Cheese Prog.
The problem with cheese tunes is not that they are good, dancable, and popular but rather lack the creativity and emotion which good dance music tracks have. Cheese tracks don't song fresh or new. It sounds recycled. Old. And eventually boring. IT drives people nuts how lame people can be that actually like this un-artistic .
For example,
If you live in america you probally know about all the 'reality' shows. the first couple were new and refreshing change to TV viewing.
But what happened was that all the other TV channels saw this forumla was succesfull and copied it. Within a few years all the TV channels at least 2 reality tv shows. All these shows were cheese, by my defintion. Acutally the level of cheese has increased recently. People watch that but its soo in cheesey.
Here is a better example:
Flannel and jeans.
So 90's and yes sooo cheesy.
Here is a better example:
Remeber when mainstream RAP was 'hard-core'.Like early 90's. All the rappers where rapping about real issues and were real gansters. White people really weren't listening to it becuase of the whole progressive movement in Rock. From 2000 to present mainstream RAP has gotten cheesy. It has copied the exact sound forumla of 90's rap but without all the real issues.
Here is a better example:
Abercrombie and Fitch was a cool clothing brand back in the mid 90's. It got cheesy when its styles became boring and bland. It was copying rather than innovating. Everyone knows about this brand and alot of poeple where there but its cheesy.
Here is a better example:
White people that listen to rap. Remeber when that was bad-ass. It so cheesy now. Once again because its true meaning and ideas have been diluted because everyone copied trying to be 'bad-ass' white kid.
Back to trance music now.... :)
Classic Example is DJ Sammy. All his leads, basslines, etc sounds the same. Its an old sound and doesn't stand the test of time. This is the defintion of cheese.
Another more recent example. ASOT. 95% of the songs on this radio station are cheese. why? because if you listen to the station all the artists sound the same. All the songs have that same 'europhic' feeling but in a 'not -new -way'. It sounds old and dated. But worse it sounds copied or recycled. The same can be said for what once was GDJB. Remeber that stupid 'bouncy-ball' sound. Had all those bleeps and beats. It was new at first. I actually liked it but than got cheesy fast.
There is an intersting article in this months REMIX mag with Deep Dish. In the interview Deep Dish said they try NOT to recyle their tunes or the sound they have. They try to do things different each time around.
When I read this it clearly addressed why Deep Dish can not be considered cheese and or what it means not to be cheese.
Hopefully I made the idea of what cheese is more understandable. Cheese is holding on to the past. It is not being artist. It is not being new.
Dance Music historically and going forward is about the new and moving forward. It's not about the cheese. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
I forgot one more thing.
Remeber when Americans were wearing american flags and american flag pins.
That was ok during 9/11 and the war but if you are still doing that you are sooo in cheesy!!!
Classic Example:
FOX |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
what do you mean? maby stuff like Another Way is an anthem, but FF is completely different. Why is it an anthem, because it has a melody? Compair it to something like Rank 1 - awakening |
If you put a palm tree next to a giant redwood, they're still both trees.
And Out of Space is cheesy as hell. Those "boing" sounds, a chipmunk voice and a reggae sample? It's still absolutely ing brilliant though. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you put a palm tree next to a giant redwood, they're still both trees.
And Out of Space is cheesy as hell. Those "boing" sounds, a chipmunk voice and a reggae sample? It's still absolutely ing brilliant though. |
if you put trance next to techno they are still edm :conf: . Im sure if you named 10-15 anthems, ff would sound totally different from the rest. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
if you put trance next to techno they are still edm :conf: . Im sure if you named 10-15 anthems, ff would sound totally different from the rest. |
No. It's an anthem. Unquestionably.
And Blue Balls, shut the up. I remember when you were so bloody ignorant about anything non-epic trance you made long rambling threads asking inane questions. You're so pretentious and arrogant I would gladly smash your face in if I ever met you in person. |
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| montana |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Jam & Spoon's Follow Me (1993) has a super-super long breakdown using primitive saw-waves. Thing is, with that track it's almost done tongue-in-cheek. It's fun. |
yeah, but it was meant really as a two part thing, either you mix in from after the breakdown or you mix in from the beginning and then mixout before the break. i dunno anyone that would play that monstrous break on the dancefloor |
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| Sand Leaper |
Actually, none of these fit into your average ASOT standards:
Haak - Frenzy (Original Mix)
Hidden Logic - Time (Original Mix)
Outback - Minds In Motion
I'm not sure the Questia release qualifies either. |
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| Blue Balls |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You're so pretentious and arrogant I would gladly smash your face in if I ever met you in person. |
This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. There last resort is intimidation and personal attacks. |
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| Blue Balls |
I am sorry but if you listen to cheesey music it is not that I hate you but rather I hate the music you listen too. :D
Don't take it too personally kids. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
This is what happens in a debate when one person is proven wrong with over-whelming evidence. They're last resort is intimidation and personal attacks. |
You're a . I'm not an ASOT fan. I've never tuned in in my life. I don't even like Armin's productions. I hardly buy any modern trance. I wasn't even arguing with you in this thread.
The only facts here is you're a stupid little Internet sheep who's probably never seen inside a club before who's merely recycling the opinions of informed others because you think it makes you sound intelligent. You think ASOT material is cheese? Wow-ing-ho, what kind of revelation is this? They'll be rewriting the Bible to include you now you've regurgitated an eighteen month old argument. Prat. |
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