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Is Ishkur correct on Progressive trance? (pg. 6)
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RIPassion
Well, the last 4 pages of you guys' posts has defended Ishkur's saying (not verbatim) "No one even knows what the hell progressive means anymore." |
did it ever mean anything?
what does trance mean or house
or tech trance or tech house or techno
or prog house prog trance deep house deep techno
It doesn't mean a thing... |
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| muckluck |
| Oh they would mean something if you had some kind of formal music education. You know, so you could say things besides...well this track just "sounds" like trance. Or it has lots of "trancey elements". Or some other bull. |
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| Nayil |
| what is he a know it all ? |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
Oh they would mean something if you had some kind of formal music education. You know, so you could say things besides...well this track just "sounds" like trance. Or it has lots of "trancey elements". Or some other bull. |
omggg you dont sayyy. |
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| DRM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Legend purports that the first ever Progressive Trance track was Union Jack - Two Full Moons and a Trout.
You people should laud Progressive Trance. Get on your knees and thank it for existing. For without Progressive Trance, none of you would be on this site today.
Oakenfold's Tranceport, that seminal (yet boring) 1998 mix, contains no less than eight Progressive Trance tracks. It is largely because of it that trance emerged as such a dominant club music that it is.
Before Progressive Trance, the music was very whirrbly and whobbly. It was pretty much indistinguishable from goa, and still retaining a harsh sensibility that paid homage to its industrial roots. Lots of acid, lots of buzzing/spitting synths, lots of sci-fi samples and really odd, warped stuff that, for the early 90s, didn't catch people's fancy too much. The music was just too weird, too "out there", too repetitive and alternative to ever be accepted into mainstream clublife. It was a fringe music at best, relegated to hippie communes, outdoor gatherings and shamanic, tribal rituals. The German scene of the time, led by Spicelab (that's Oliver Lieb, btw), Hypnotic Records and the like, did not seem to care too much.
Progressive Trance shattered this image. It was accessible. It was warm and friendly. It was not as repetitive--in fact, many songs had specific cue points telling you when to stop dancing, when to put your hands in the air, and when to start cheering (something known as the breakdown-build-anthem), so that you could follow along. Trance music leading you by the hand, treating you like a child. It was like Raffi Trance. And, most importantly, it had those delicious anthemic melodies, which you heard on Pete Tong's radio show and then hummed to yourself for the rest of the week. Pop Trance music. For the masses.
And you have Progressive Trance to thank for that, for it's easy minor key chord progressions, it's ready-made snare rolls, and those lovely lead-synth fanfares, for getting you interested in this stuff in the first place. Because lord is pretty certain you wouldn't have paid attention to it otherwise. Trance dumbed itself down for YOUR benefit.
Now...as for just "Progressive". That's something else entirely that has nothing to do with "Progressive Trance". |
while you have done ur homework ishkur and know how trance has evolved, that all means nothing in the real world today. Things have changed and all the above is no longer relevent to todays trance related genres.
Jason's examples were a whole lot more reflective of todays sound and since we are living in today and not in the past then im much happier to stick by those definitions than some archaic ideas that are no longer correct or have any relevance |
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| Luke Terry |
| quote: | Originally posted by DRM
while you have done ur homework ishkur and know how trance has evolved, that all means nothing in the real world today. Things have changed and all the above is no longer relevent to todays trance related genres.
Jason's examples were a whole lot more reflective of todays sound and since we are living in today and not in the past then im much happier to stick by those definitions than some archaic ideas that are no longer correct or have any relevance |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by DRM
no longer correct or have any relevance |
That's gotta be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. That's like borrowing money from someone to pay rent and then not paying them back because "it no longer has any relevance".
Uhhhhh...noooo. You're here because you like trance, and you like trance because of how it reformed itself to appeal to you. You can't ignore what's happened in the past, especially since it practically defined your musical tastes for you.
PROG TRANCE:
Hiratzka & Kazell feat Shirli Mcallen - Venice Dawn
Karada - Last Flight (Markus Schulz Return To Coldharbour Mix)
Interstate - I Found U (Perry O'Neil Mix)
Andy Moor - Halycon
All these tracks are actually Deep Trance. |
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| Pjotr G |
who or what is the authority on what is called what?
furthermore, who cares what is what, as long as I can use my set of definitions to find music I like (expect) |
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| DRM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
That's gotta be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. That's like borrowing money from someone to pay rent and then not paying them back because "it no longer has any relevance".
Uhhhhh...noooo. You're here because you like trance, and you like trance because of how it reformed itself to appeal to you. You can't ignore what's happened in the past, especially since it practically defined your musical tastes for you.
PROG TRANCE:
Hiratzka & Kazell feat Shirli Mcallen - Venice Dawn
Karada - Last Flight (Markus Schulz Return To Coldharbour Mix)
Interstate - I Found U (Perry O'Neil Mix)
Andy Moor - Halycon
All these tracks are actually Deep Trance. |
You do realise that your posts come across with a ridiculous air of pomposity, don't you?
Your analogy of it being like borrowing money off someone isnt even close to the point im making.
As music evolves so does peoples perceptions and analysis of it. What was once considered progressive trance is no longer thought of so. So the point im making is that athough these tracks were once thought as progressive trance by todays new genre branching that has evolved deems them not to be.
This has nothing to do with how trance came about. It's about how the music is now classed.
And no those tracks are not deep trance, and if they are then that the labels that release those tracks say they are prog trance, the artists that make them say they are prog trance, the record shops that sell them label them prog trance, basically everyone bar you and your little band of merry men deem them as prog trance.
now why should anyone believe you are right? |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
PROG TRANCE:
Hiratzka & Kazell feat Shirli Mcallen - Venice Dawn
Karada - Last Flight (Markus Schulz Return To Coldharbour Mix)
Interstate - I Found U (Perry O'Neil Mix)
Andy Moor - Halycon
All these tracks are actually Deep Trance. |
yea they rnt prog :D |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
All these tracks are actually Deep Trance. |
Deep Trance does not exist. It's merely an invented subcategory of progressive trance, which has no meaningful definition of its own. |
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