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Is Ishkur correct on Progressive trance? (pg. 7)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Ish, in the early 1990s you were, what 13? Did you start listening to this repetitive acid stuff when you were that old? Or did you only catch on to trance a few years later, when this progressive trance crap emerged? Please enlighten me. |
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| varun |
Another pointless thread asking a question that cannot be answered.
Gone is the time when trance music could easily be classified into the broad sub-genres that we all have come to know. Ishkur's guide is accurate about an era that is LONG GONE. Trance music has changed and evolved so much since then.
Tracks these days simply cannot be classified into simply one or two sub genres. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Deep Trance does not exist. It's merely an invented subcategory of progressive trance, which has no meaningful definition of its own. |
see why does all slower trance have to be prog? |
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| sandstorm03 |
trance can exist under 130 :P.
And yes without it being prog. |
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| Ishkur |
Hey, I didn't come up with the bloody term. This was just its most common usage in the mid-90s (interchangeable, btw, with progressive house....in fact, it was the same music, just that what was called progressive house in Europe was called progressive trance in America) that described the deviation from the trippier, more acidy style that was ubiquetous trance. This was about 95-97. It was extremely accessible to the masses. More lukewarm and pop-structure like. Most of the original trance artists considered it an abomination. You ask Mark Reeder or Simon Berry or any of the OG trance producers, they are completely disgusted with the music today that calls itself trance.
When the anthems took over and absolutely dominated EVERYTHING from 98-2001, the whole Progressive Trance/Progressive House scene mellowed out and meshed into an indecipherable one, called only "Progressive". That's the monotonous, drolling stuff you recognize today.
Music can and will continue to be pigeonholed. Give it a couple years for trends, hindsight, and public reception to define the perameters of music. It always happens. |
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| auranaut |
Simon Berry made Love Washes Over. It's quite cheesy, and much closer to progressive trance than the older kind.
I like it though. :happy2: |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Ish, in the early 1990s you were, what 13? Did you start listening to this repetitive acid stuff when you were that old? Or did you only catch on to trance a few years later, when this progressive trance crap emerged? Please enlighten me. |
My first rave (and exposure to trance) was 94. I don't remember much about it. Thought the music was odd, trippy, and cool, but I didn't know anything about it or how or where or who to go to to find more of it afterwards. It remained stuck in my head for years, as a sort of mystery that I always wanted to solve (kind of like "what was that music called, anyway!?!?"). Some friends I knew at school had Skinny Puppy, Orb, Orbital, and other CDs that, while neat, weren't close to what I heard at that party. It would actually be three years before I went to another rave, and again heard good music--but it wasn't the music that I remember from that first encounter. And I suppose, in a way, I've been chasing that music, and subsequently what I felt listening to it, ever since. Stuck in my head all those years.
Oh, I ultimately did figure it out. Pouring through endless tracks, my search came to an end when I conceded that, while not 100% certain, it was likely Rabbit in the Moon and Electric Skychurch that I heard.
First impressions are like that. |
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| A.J. |
| Simon Berry was a member of Art of Trance and Union Jack, wasn't he? |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
Simon Berry was a member of Art of Trance and Union Jack, wasn't he? |
Yes. And my point was the he too has made some cheesy tracks. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
All these tracks are actually Deep Trance. |
i'm curious about deep trance.. i thought i made that up and it didn't actually exist :p out of those tracks i've only heard Karada - Last Flight (Markus Schulz Return To Coldharbour Mix) and would class it as progressive trance - the rather newer kind of course, not the 95 prog trance |
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| Aiwendil |
in fact i'll do you one better. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa was the first progressive trance track. it fits your definition. bass chord changes? it has em. repeating lead synth over those bass chord changes? has that too. hell, it took me a while to realize that the lead synth was repeating because the progressive trick worked so well. not surprising, since it's the oldest trick in music, and Harald Blüchel probably knows most tricks in music, old and new.
if i'm right, progressive trance is almost as old as classic trance, bwahahahahah. my master plan is coming to fruition. and you must ask yourself, is it still progressive trance if it's as old as trance has existed? muhahaahar |
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