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Is the Liberal party full of racists?
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| Jayx1 |
Of course not...but clearly that would be the spin of media coverage had this comment come from a conservative instead of a Liberal:
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Joe Volpe asked to apologize for Klan comments
CTV.ca News Staff
Immigration Minister Joe Volpe may have been looking for apology, but when he was done talking reporters in Ottawa the Opposition said he's the one who should be sorry.
Incensed by a poster prank that made its way into newspapers, Volpe used some powerful language to lash out against the official opposition on Tuesday.
"These are the same Conservatives who think that every immigrant is a potential terrorist .. and criminal and everything else," he said, holding up a clipping of the full-colour photo.
And he didn't stop there, going on to compare members of the party to the Ku Klux Klan.
"Notwithstanding that they don't have their they don't have their cowl and their cape, the Klan looks like it's still very much alive."
In the photo, Conservative MPs Lee Richardson and Werner Schmidt are seen grinning at a poster that reads, in bold red letters: "The Liberanos -- Canadian Politics Redefined."
In a take-off of the popular TV-show The Sopranos, the poster portrays former prime minister Jean Chretien flanked by Prime Minister Paul Martin and other key players in the government and the sponsorship scandal.
"I think these are a couple of fine, upstanding members of the new Conservative Klan," said in his remarks to reporters Tuesday.
In a written response, Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer said the comments warrant an apology from Volpe, at least.
"To hear a minister of the Crown make that kind of insinuation about anybody, whether they are his political opponents or not, is reprehensible," Jaffer wrote, suggesting the minister's resignation would be the "honourable thing" to do.
"He has sunk to a new low -- one unbefitting a minister of the Crown, and unbefitting a parliamentarian."
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PS: calling Liberals mafiosos has nothing to do with italians but calling the conservatives kaln members is a very direct racist statement since the clan stands for racism. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ It's not about Italians, IMHO...
While I certainly agree Volpe's comments went too far...why is it ok to make a mafia reference to the Liberals simply due to the ad scandal?
Perhaps we have Hollywood and the media to thank for glorifying the mafia as some kind of socially accpetable cultural reference...but in reality the Mafia are organized crime outfits that profit not only from "corruption" but are involved in extortion, violence and murder.
If I were in Volpe's shoes I'd offer an apology when one came in return. |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://www.nydailynews.com/11-18-20...5p-217343c.html
Stoolie: Canada pol in mob
BY GREG B. SMITH
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, November 18th, 2004
Alfonso Gagliano has held titles in Canada that include labor minister, deputy House leader, ambassador to Denmark and minister of public works.
In New York he held a different kind of title, according to secret FBI documents obtained by the Daily News: "made" member of the Bonanno crime family.
Gagliano was identified as a longtime soldier in the Bonanno crime family by Frank Lino, a former Mafia capo-turned-informer.
Lino is now cooperating with the FBI and federal prosecutors as they slowly take apart the mob family to which he once swore allegiance.
Gagliano's name surfaced as Lino described the Bonanno family's operations in Montreal, which has served as an outpost for the Brooklyn-based group for decades.
He said he and a group of top Bonanno gangsters traveled to Montreal in the 1990s to let the northern branch office know the family had a new boss, Joseph Massino.
The group met at a catering hall, and during the meeting, a Bonanno gangster, Joseph Lopresti, introduced Gagliano to Lino as a made man in the family, FBI documents state.
Lino made a point of telling the FBI that only actual members of the Bonanno family were allowed to attend the meeting at the catering hall. Associates were banned.
Gagliano attorney Pierre Fournier did not return calls seeking comment yesterday.
For years, Gagliano was a fixture in Canada's national politics, rising through the ranks of the Liberal Party.
But his most powerful position was undoubtedly Canada's minister of public works and government services, the office that oversees the Canadian mint and awards most of Canada's government contracts.
In that capacity, Gagliano found himself embroiled in a growing scandal over potential corruption in the awarding of contracts for government advertising.
In February, he was dismissed as ambassador.
There is an ongoing investigation into allegations that government funds were funneled to large contributors to the Liberal Party for no-work contracts.
Lino was shown an array of photographs and identified Gagliano, the FBI documents state.
When he began cooperating with the FBI, Lino admitted he was involved in six murders, several attempted murders, loansharking, extortion and gambling. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ It's not about Italians, IMHO...
While I certainly agree Volpe's comments went too far...why is it ok to make a mafia reference to the Liberals simply due to the ad scandal?
Perhaps we have Hollywood and the media to thank for glorifying the mafia as some kind of socially accpetable cultural reference...but in reality the Mafia are organized crime outfits that profit not only from "corruption" but are involved in extortion, violence and murder.
If I were in Volpe's shoes I'd offer an apology when one came in return. |
Its ok because they acted like the mob. They embezzled money and sent people to threaten and shakedown certain indviduals. And some of the characters involved are actually involved with the mob. Have you not been following this whole corruption hearing? What the Liberals did is very moblike. |
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| ShadoWolf |
here's the magazine cover:
It's based on a year-old blog entry:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/000199.html
| quote: | Corruption in the highest levels of government, with tentacles reaching into crown corporations, into the RCMP. Career beaurocrats ignoring the rules. Secret accounts. $100 million missing. Falsifying receipts. Shawinigate. Untendered aircraft purchases. TotalFinaElf-Desmarais-Chrétien. Drug raids. Money laundering.
At what point does government wrongdoing cross the line into organized crime? |
It was Volpe that made the link between Italian-Canadians as a whole and the mafia, not the Conservatives.
He should step down immediately.
Keep in mind that Italy was able to clean up its political system in the mani pulite campaign. Canada should follow suit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_pulite |
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| MarkT |
it's an exaggeration to refer to the Liberals as being like the Mafia...back room deals and embezzlement do not equal the violence and murder associated with that level of organized crime.
this doesn't excuse Volpe's comments...he's *very* much out of line and I was as digusted by his comments as anyone. I have little tolerance (as you know, lol) for people who unduly exaggerate or completely misrepresent the situation to suit their purposes.
I think Martin should publicly admonish him for those comments and demand an apology. |
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| naesean3 |
the liberals are RACISTS???
the conservatives are FAG-HATERS!!!!
who is right - who is wrong?
both attitudes are disrespectful!!! IMO:mad: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by naesean3
the conservatives are FAG-HATERS!!!!
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They are?
Proof?
PS: nice use on a demeaning slur there.... |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
They are?
Proof?
PS: nice use on a demeaning slur there.... |
or so media would have you believe......seeing as we are quoting media sources all the time as proverbial truths.....
PS: I am gay
(just drawing comparisions that is all - I am not debating over this)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by naesean3
PS: I am gay
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ah so that makes using slurs OK...
I get it...
Exactly what you said about media spin. The Conservatives are not anti-gay but the media loves to try and convince you otherwise. |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
ah so that makes using slurs OK...
I get it...
Exactly what you said about media spin. The Conservatives are not anti-gay but the media loves to try and convince you otherwise. |
kinda like:
one gay guy to another - "What's up fag??"
one black guy to another - "What's up nigga??"
words have only as much power over you as you let them.....trust me I know.......:D |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by naesean3
kinda like:
one gay guy to another - "What's up fag??"
one black guy to another - "What's up nigga??"
words have only as much power over you as you let them.....trust me I know.......:D |
Isnt it racist to suggest that certain groups can use certain words but others cant?
Ill never understand that. Words are either ok or not ok. |
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