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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Haha, that's great! I have the same feeling as you, I could never ever go back for plenty of reasons.
For those of you who use Gnome in here, 2.14 is released and it is apprently a lot faster than the older, according to their release notes anyway. I'm just waiting for Gentoo to unmask their ebuilds for it :D
http://www.gnome.org/%7Edavyd/gnome-2-14/ |
The general release of Fedora Core 5 is suppossed to be tomorrow. I'm planning on installing that (over FC4) and using the new Gnome version. I'm just not a big fan of KDE, and I tried Enlightenment and it was buggy as hell. I love me some Gnome.
Here's hoping for the best. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
The general release of Fedora Core 5 is suppossed to be tomorrow. I'm planning on installing that (over FC4) and using the new Gnome version. I'm just not a big fan of KDE, and I tried Enlightenment and it was buggy as hell. I love me some Gnome.
Here's hoping for the best. |
Would the Fedora 4 rpms work with Fedora 5 or are we gonna have to wait for ages for certain apps? |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Would the Fedora 4 rpms work with Fedora 5 or are we gonna have to wait for ages for certain apps? |
Usually they work. When FC4 first came out, I used a few rpms from earlier releases without problems. You can always build from source as well. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
You can always build from source as well. |
Is it a relatively simple process or a pain in the ass? |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Is it a relatively simple process or a pain in the ass? |
In theory it's very easy. Simply unzip the source code into a directory, and then in that directory go through these three steps at the prompt:
./configure
make
make install
That *should* do it. The only thing is that when you run "./configure" it will check for dependencies, and if you don't have them, it will tell you so and stop the installation. It is then up to you to resolve those dependencies. So, unlike YUM, you can't automatically get the dependencies you need when installing new software. It just takes some time to track them down. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
In theory it's very easy. Simply unzip the source code into a directory, and then in that directory go through these three steps at the prompt:
./configure
make
make install
That *should* do it. The only thing is that when you run "./configure" it will check for dependencies, and if you don't have them, it will tell you so and stop the installation. It is then up to you to resolve those dependencies. So, unlike YUM, you can't automatically get the dependencies you need when installing new software. It just takes some time to track them down. |
Yeah, I know how to do that. I thought you meant you can build your own rpm from tar.gz (i.e. source). |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yeah, I know how to do that. I thought you meant you can build your own rpm from tar.gz (i.e. source). |
I haven't used fedore since Fedora 1, but I think you can do that, or not from tar.gz but from .srpm or something like that? |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yeah, I know how to do that. I thought you meant you can build your own rpm from tar.gz (i.e. source). |
Well, you could build your own platform specific rpms, but unless you're planning on sharing those rpms later, it's probably just as easy to install from source.
(My 2 cents) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Well, you could build your own platform specific rpms, but unless you're planning on sharing those rpms later, it's probably just as easy to install from source.
(My 2 cents) |
I tried installing a newer version of gtk (which was more recent than the rpms they had for Fedora 4) and it didn't work out which is why I've been somewhat hesitant to install from source and generally look for rpms. I needed that for pysoulseek/nicotine (I think it need > gtk 2.0 and the most recent rpm was 1.2). |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Well, you could build your own platform specific rpms, but unless you're planning on sharing those rpms later, it's probably just as easy to install from source.
(My 2 cents) |
Won't that mess up with the package handeler later though? |
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| ogvh5150 |
From distrowatch.com:
| quote: | Despite the release of a new Mandriva edition last week, it was the company -- rather than the new product -- that stole the spotlight in the media. In a never-ending series of blunders that have relegated the best desktop Linux distribution on the market to a mediocre one over the last few years, the decision makers at Mandriva have asked Gaël Duval (pictured on the right) to leave the company! Yes, the same Gaël Duval who single-handedly created Mandrake Linux back in 1998. The same Gaël Duval who had a proven track record of understanding desktop Linux better than anyone else at the time. The same Gaël Duval who probably contributed more than anyone else to increased adoption of Linux at a time when very few distributions thought about usability of Linux on the desktop. Now, last week, Gaël Duval was deemed a burden to the company he helped to jump-start!
It was a telling sign of Mandriva's attitude towards their user community that we had to learn about such an important event in an obscure IRC channel or a private web log, rather than directly from the horse's mouth. It was only when a major news site picked up the story that the company found itself in an embarrassing position of having to provide an explanation. Although Gaël Duval disagreed on a few minor points, the message given by Mandriva's CEO was clear: Mandriva as a company is once again in a bad financial shape and needs to find ways to cut expenses. With the acquisition of Conectiva and Lycoris in 2005, the ill-contrived spending spree of the past year has come back to haunt the company's investors. Fresh doubts about the viability of its business model have re-surfaced.
Is this the end of Mandriva as a company? No, not just yet. Is this the end of a distribution that helped so many users (including your DistroWatch maintainer) to jump on the Linux bandwagon back in the late nineties? Sadly, yes. As one forum reader put it so bluntly, it is frightening to realise that in their quest to increase the value of their investments, Mandriva's desperate shareholders have made so many absurd decisions that instead of building a prosperous business entity they will bring about its downfall!
Right now, the only thing that can save Mandriva from certain death is return to its roots - by building a distribution for home users, not suits. Although following Red Hat's business model might sound like a perfect way to ensure future financial prosperity, the sad reality is that Mandriva will have hard time competing with the likes of Red Hat and Novell. Instead, the company should close its rapidly diminishing Club infrastructure, return to a 6-month release cycle, and give away the base distribution with no delays and no strings attached. With the dramatically increasing interest in Linux that we have been witnessing over the past 6 months, it shouldn't take too long before it would generate solid and sustainable revenue from private and government contracts, as well as by selling support and custom solutions.
For Mandriva to survive, it needs to stop laying off its best employees and start implementing a radical overhaul of its business strategy. It should strive to become a leader in one area, not a follower in another - no matter how lucrative it might seem to certain uninformed investors. Unfortunately, as its most recent action demonstrates, Mandriva might have already passed the point of no return....
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| quote: | NewsForge
The Online Newspaper for Linux and Open Source
http://trends.newsforge.com/
Title Mandrake founder Gael Duval to sue Mandriva over firing
Date 2006.03.15 15:07
Author NewsForge Staff
Topic
http://trends.newsforge.com/article...06/03/15/208240
Mandriva executive Gael Duval today confirmed rumors that he was laid off from the company he co-founded, along with a number of other Mandriva employees. Duval told NewsForge that he is going to bring suit against Mandriva for "abusive layoff."
In an exclusive IRC chat this afternoon, Duval said, "I'm very sad since my new role was pretty exciting. Additionally, seven years ago I created my job and some jobs for many other people, and eventually someone, the current boss, tells me, 'Now you leave.' Ouch!"
Duval said that last year Mandriva CEO Francois Bancilhon asked him to leave the company. Instead, Duval agreed to move from his long-time position as vice president of communication to head a new "community department" intended "to improve Mandriva's image in the open source arena." Now the company has terminated that effort.
He also said that while he and Bancilhon had "diverging opinions" on corporate direction, there was no animosity between the two. We asked Bancilhon about the situation, and he responded this morning, writing:
We announced on March 7 the financial results for Q1 2005-2006 (October-December 2005) and explained the disappointing results of the company and the actions we are taking to fix the situation: cost reduction (including workforce reduction) and new commercial initiatives, both on individual solutions and on enterprise solutions. Gael is part of the positions in the company we have chosen to eliminate. Gael has brought a lot to this company and has been all along a very strong contributor. I am very sorry to see him leave, together with other employees that have worked hard and done their best for Mandriva. We are just at a stage where we need to make difficult decision to improve the company status.
So, to answer your questions, Gael has indeed left the company as part of cost reduction plan implemented this quarter.
Mandriva remains committed to its mission: bring Linux and open source technology to both individuals and organisations.
Duval created Linux-Mandrake in 1998, announcing it on Slashdot.org and elsewhere. The original Mandrake was based on Red Hat Linux and featured a KDE desktop. Mandrake became known as being the easiest-to-use version of Linux. The company flirted with bankruptcy in 2001, but kept hanging on. In 2005, Mandrake merged with Conectiva in an effort by the two distributions to bulk-up against the larger Red Hat and Novell.
Of the company's financial pains, Duval said, "My opinion is that the loss is due to the increase of expenses: many people have been hired in 2005 and early 2006.... As far as I know, none of the new employees have been fired." He agreed with a suggestion that the company was undergoing "a changing of the guard."
Duval didn't speculate on Mandriva's future. "On the first hand, there is some business (management decisions and expenses are another story). On the other hand, I frankly don't know where the company is going.... It seems that the company is going to address the corporate market more and more.... My opinion is that we should have stuck to the roots (individuals and SOHO)."
Duval's future plans -- in addition to the lawsuit -- involve a new open source project called Ulteo. According to Duval, "This project was proposed to Mandriva but not 'selected.' My goal is to provide a new way for people to use operating systems, so they can really concentrate on using it (and not maintaining it)." He also noted that he has received many messages of support from the community.
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"on March 7 the financial results for Q1 2005-2006" - http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/compa...letter/sn060307
"Slashdot.org" - http://slashdot.org/articles/980725/117228.shtml
"Ulteo" - http://www.ulteo.com/ |
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