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What would you do? (pg. 13)
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| CraveTheRave |
Slylee,
I know your thread has been jacked and sorry for contributing to that. But I think the majority of the opinions is that you are extremely generous for helping this girl out, but you should get to know her better first before you take her in, etc. I still say you better make sure she doesn't go back to him if you're doing all this for her.
Hope it all turns out well.
Terry |
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| Echo of Silence |
Orbs, I thought you were a Christian?
You don't practice what you preach?
In a civilized society, you must allow the system to execute justice. If you decide to take justice into your own hands, you are not only thwarting the system, you are playing God. What right do you have to play God? God does not grant you that right. You are not all knowing. You are not the judge of man.
Christians believe that in the end, all answer to God. Your rapist will stand before your God and answer for his actions.
I agree with M@t and Dervs, here. Arbitch Arbiter, you surprise me. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Echo of Silence
Arbitch Arbiter, you surprise me. |
Oh? Why's that?
| quote: | | In a civilized society, you must allow the system to execute justice. If you decide to take justice into your own hands, you are not only thwarting the system, you are playing God. What right do you have to play God? God does not grant you that right. You are not all knowing. You are not the judge of man. |
In a civilized society, rape and similar crimes wouldn't happen to begin with. Civilization is a myth, a type of moral-intellecutal masturbation which we perpetuate as a means to avoid dealing with the profound impotence of our feeble institutions and the cataclysmic failure that is our society.
That aside: the merit of allowing the "system" to execute justice necessarily depents upon the merit of the system itself. If the system is an evil, and I believe it is, then you do good by thwarting it.
And given that I am the Arbiter, the "judge of man," it should come as no surprise that I, of all people, would be the one willing to say: "Yes! I will act! Perfect I am not, but I will not stand aside and leave those matters most important in the hands of imbeciles and demagogues. I will do what I believe is right, and to hell with the consequences!"
That is, after all, the only type of genuine morality one can find in this world: to be true to one's convictions. "Society," "civilization," the "system" - these are shallow, empty idols no less so than "God." |
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| Dervish |
I appreciate what you are saying Arbiter, but wouldn't you say that we should strive to be as civilised as possible. The systems we've formed are there to try an support that. If you want to opt out of them then leave wherever you are because you don't agree with the princibles of the place.
Unless of course you would prefer to live in that socity rather than anarcy which you seem to be advocating.
(not to get away from the origonal point or over complicate things ofcourse ;) ) |
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| Echo of Silence |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Oh? Why's that?
In a civilized society, rape and similar crimes wouldn't happen to begin with. |
This is inaccurate. Wrongs occur in civilized and in uncivilized societies. Within every society, there are people who do wrong.
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Civilization is a myth, a type of moral-intellecutal masturbation which we perpetuate as a means to avoid dealing with the profound impotence of our feeble institutions and the cataclysmic failure that is our society.
That aside: the merit of allowing the "system" to execute justice necessarily depents upon the merit of the system itself. If the system is an evil, and I believe it is, then you do good by thwarting it. |
You live in a country where, if the system is evil or faulty, you can correct it. You live in one of the few societies that empowers individuals with this ability.
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And given that I am the Arbiter, the "judge of man," it should come as no surprise that I, of all people, would be the one willing to say: "Yes! I will act! Perfect I am not, but I will not stand aside and leave those matters most important in the hands of imbeciles and demagogues. I will do what I believe is right, and to hell with the consequences!" |
Yes, as Dervish said this is your choice. If you are willing to deal with the consequences of your actions you can do what you want.
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That is, after all, the only type of genuine morality one can find in this world: to be true to one's convictions. "Society," "civilization," the "system" - these are shallow, empty idols no less so than "God."
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It is important to be true to your self and to be true to your convictions. But to play God or to assume the role of an all knowing entity? No.
Think of all the convicted rapists and murderers in your country who are now being released because DNA tests proved that they weren't the actual rapist, they weren't the actual murderer. Without the system, you or Orbs would have executed justice against these people...?
I say to err is human. Even victims can err.
And Arbits, I can't argue with you. You know that. So this will be my last post in this thread. I was surprised because to me, you usually are so right and in my opinion, on this one, you are wrong. But, eh, I'm often wrong. So....
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| Dervish |
| ^ Exactly, I mean what if "the victim" has lied (entirely possible it actually happens quite alot) you've beaten up (maybe killed?) an innocent person, who is to blame the lying victim or you.... |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I appreciate what you are saying Arbiter, but wouldn't you say that we should strive to be as civilised as possible. The systems we've formed are there to try an support that. If you want to opt out of them then leave wherever you are because you don't agree with the princibles of the place.
Unless of course you would prefer to live in that socity rather than anarcy which you seem to be advocating.
(not to get away from the origonal point or over complicate things ofcourse ;) ) |
Here is the paradox.
Let your dog eat from your plate once and do nothing about it.
Day 2 , dog will eat again.
Day 3, dog will eat again
etc.
Punish your dog once or twice and your dog will understand not to eat anymore.
Let a rapist rape people with no hard punishment (i prefer death peanlities for this) , they will rape again and more rapist will start raping.
Without Anarcy the word civilised wouldn't exist. |
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| Dervish |
Well is prison not a punishment (as well as other things)........
as for
"Without Anarcy the word civilised wouldn't exist."
how do you mean the natural entropy of the universe or people ceasing power in anarcy (a dictatorship, not anarcy)? |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Echo of Silence
Orbs, I thought you were a Christian?
You don't practice what you preach?
In a civilized society, you must allow the system to execute justice. If you decide to take justice into your own hands, you are not only thwarting the system, you are playing God. What right do you have to play God? God does not grant you that right. You are not all knowing. You are not the judge of man.
Christians believe that in the end, all answer to God. Your rapist will stand before your God and answer for his actions.
I agree with M@t and Dervs, here. Arbitch Arbiter, you surprise me. |
exactly. i never cared much to go that in-depth when calling orbax out cuz he always just gets outraged and comes back something like, "SHUT UR IGNORANT MOUTH BITCH! get back in the kitchen"!!!
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no but seriously orbax, it's true, ur kind of a hypocrite w/ the whole bible reading christian boy persona, then the next minute ur justifying revenge....doesn't add up, that's all. |
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| M@t |
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
Here is the paradox.
Let your dog eat from your plate once and do nothing about it.
Day 2 , dog will eat again.
Day 3, dog will eat again
etc.
Punish your dog once or twice and your dog will understand not to eat anymore.
Let a rapist rape people with no hard punishment (i prefer death peanlities for this) , they will rape again and more rapist will start raping.
Without Anarcy the word civilised wouldn't exist. |
This is ludicrous
Would you advocate capital punishment on your dog also? Can't be seen to have double standards.
Surely without civilisation the word anarchy wouldnt exist? |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by CraveTheRave
Slylee,
I know your thread has been jacked and sorry for contributing to that. But I think the majority of the opinions is that you are extremely generous for helping this girl out, but you should get to know her better first before you take her in, etc. I still say you better make sure she doesn't go back to him if you're doing all this for her.
Hope it all turns out well.
Terry |
all good:) i don't care about that crap... |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
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On the original point the topic is about.
I think you should take the girl in and help her, make sure you set grounds rules and fast though. DOnt say "oh i will decide in august". Chat with her now and tell she has to stop seeing him, and cut all ties if you are to allow her move in. Make sure to hammer that point into her. Also when she does come back for georgia, make sure too keep her busy, job, just drinking/clubbing, anything really. Cos if she is left on her own and bored she will go back to him.
As you have said you very good at persuading people, so make full use of that. Big turning point for the girl in live., if she lets him get away with it once and goes back to him, she probaly wont ever have to balls to walk away.
If she cant get away, and stay away from him shes laughing! Best of luck with it. |
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