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The Perfect Kick - Here's How (pg. 15)
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| Lee Canning |
i know this is a bit late but after reading this post, i was impressed by daves extension description of how to help us make a decent kick, then liquid8 just bagged it, what a tosser, imo it may be easier to bag someone than to give some good info himself, now, i would like to see liquid8 giv some helpful "pro" tips of his own to help us out. now i would definitely like to see less people like him on forums like this.
thanks dave west, you make good music, and im sure we all appreciate that. |
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| ENZ83 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lee Canning
i know this is a bit late but after reading this post, i was impressed by daves extension description of how to help us make a decent kick, then liquid8 just bagged it, what a tosser, imo it may be easier to bag someone than to give some good info himself, now, i would like to see liquid8 giv some helpful "pro" tips of his own to help us out. now i would definitely like to see less people like him on forums like this.
thanks dave west, you make good music, and im sure we all appreciate that. |
Well said mate i didnt like the tone of his comment , its plane to see daves trying to help people like me, if it werent for his guidelines my tune im working on now would probably sound totally whackk, but instead its getting there.
Nice one Dave ! |
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| Brandon H |
Hey there- just have a few questions pertaining to where exactley to find everything your talking about? I'm guessing this was made with Logic 7 in mind so perhaps some things have changed?? I'm new to Logic 8 and have been deep into the manual and other references, but theres a few things that despite my digging are escaping me- not to mention for whatever reason I seem to be awfully confused in general with this post
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave West
This presumes of course that you have a good quality kick sample to being with, and haven't just recorded granny swatting a fly with a newspaper. Raw 909s are ok, but need layering with another sample which is a bit more sleazy and dirty.
Samples MUST be in mono (as should be the bass), otherwise these settings are screwed.
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If one is using say the Ultrabeat, which doesnt come in a mono form for example, is there a way to do this? I pulled up a 909 Kit in the EXS24 and that can be set on Mono, but the channel strip still shows a stereo setting- should that change??
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave West
The input level of the sample should be at 0db or a little less.
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Is this supposed to be 0db in the individual channel strip or the master? (I certainly would assume the indi. channel)
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave West
EQ
Use the high-pass filter to roll of frequencies less than 40hz.
Use the notch filter at around 800hz
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After pulling up the channel eq in the mixer, I'm not seeing anything labled notch filter nor is there in the manual- I saw someone else had a question regarding this as well- Also does one adjust the gain slop as well?
I know everyone probably hates me for this, but I'm really trying to understand because this seems like a great and useful post |
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| Mr Kre8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Airyck Sterrett
how do I make a kick that sounds like a whiffle ball bat hitting a dead horse? |
4 ingredients:
1. Computer / Recording destination
2. Microphone
3. Whiffle ball bat
4. Dead horse |
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| piku303 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandon H
Hey there- just have a few questions pertaining to where exactley to find everything your talking about? I'm guessing this was made with Logic 7 in mind so perhaps some things have changed?? I'm new to Logic 8 and have been deep into the manual and other references, but theres a few things that despite my digging are escaping me- not to mention for whatever reason I seem to be awfully confused in general with this post
If one is using say the Ultrabeat, which doesnt come in a mono form for example, is there a way to do this? I pulled up a 909 Kit in the EXS24 and that can be set on Mono, but the channel strip still shows a stereo setting- should that change??
Is this supposed to be 0db in the individual channel strip or the master? (I certainly would assume the indi. channel)
After pulling up the channel eq in the mixer, I'm not seeing anything labled notch filter nor is there in the manual- I saw someone else had a question regarding this as well- Also does one adjust the gain slop as well?
I know everyone probably hates me for this, but I'm really trying to understand because this seems like a great and useful post |
if the output of the kick isnt mono, route the instrument track from ultrabeat to a bus and mono the bus. there is no notch filter. you use the channel eq and "notch" out a certain frequency. meaning you only cut that certain frequency and a little around it. if the gain of your kick is at 0 on the channel...then it will be 0 at the mixer. your kick should not be at 0 on the channel because then when you add in other elements of the song youll go over 0 and distort. |
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| nec |
This thread is just blabla..
Perfect kick doesnt exist and even if it would it would still be relative. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by nec
This thread is just blabla..
Perfect kick doesnt exist and even if it would it would still be relative. |
word... but I think this thread more or less covers all kinds of kick drums now? Food & Drink for everyone I mean...
No spam here, so I won't put the link, but for those who check my website, I'm posting tips on there... only kick, snare, clap and hat, but there's more to come.
L. |
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| the-sixth |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
word... but I think this thread more or less covers all kinds of kick drums now? Food & Drink for everyone I mean...
No spam here, so I won't put the link, but for those who check my website, I'm posting tips on there... only kick, snare, clap and hat, but there's more to come.
L. |
Hi
I watched all your videos and it is so refreshing to see someone create from scratch the sounds and not use samples.
In my mind there is only truly a handful of people doing this still (perhaps Arksun also).
I found it very inspirational.
Thank you and keep them coming :D |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Not sure if this was posted but most people prob already know.
I have prob around 200 uncompleted songs on my pc and one day I literally spent the whole day just listening to all the songs I made and my progression in producing.
I passed about 10 songs that had AMAZING kicks and decided to convert them into wavs and put them in their own little folder and now I use these kicks in pretty much every song I make now.
Also, I didn't like the idea of it but I started slicing kicks from the best tracks in the world and adding my own little twists to them.
Like the Oompa Loompa song has one of the best kicks I've ever heard before, so I stole that and ran it through some fx and converted it.
And other songs from Ferry and Tiesto also have some really solid thumpy kicks. I know some people enjoy spending 3 months working on a single kick drum. But I efficiency is just as important to me as quality. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by the-sixth
Hi
I watched all your videos and it is so refreshing to see someone create from scratch the sounds and not use samples.
In my mind there is only truly a handful of people doing this still (perhaps Arksun also).
I found it very inspirational.
Thank you and keep them coming :D |
Don't thank me... thank the Ableton users and all the well-talented and still unknown producers who opened my eyes.
95% of the sounds can be achieved just as you can use a stick and a flint for a fire. A well-balanced equation of knowledge and accidental manipulation.
Unison waves are just so piece-of-cake for example...
The art of sound design is something that gets lost among the abundance of mediocre and featureless romplers that I won't name here. This is why I kept saying that the best way to get better in design is to get rid of ALL presets when you are ready to do so.
It must be just like cooking after all...
I can't suggest this to reaktor users wanting to design their own synths and fx, as the crap manual makes it almost impossible. 1000 pages of half-nonsense, really!
Most of this info is on the web, you know. There's nothing spectacular in doing the math. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
The art of sound design is something that gets lost among the abundance of mediocre and featureless romplers that I won't name here. This is why I kept saying that the best way to get better in design is to get rid of ALL presets when you are ready to do so. |
So true. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
The art of sound design is something that gets lost among the abundance of mediocre and featureless romplers that I won't name here. This is why I kept saying that the best way to get better in design is to get rid of ALL presets when you are ready to do so.
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I think people forget that the foundation of electronic music is exactly that experimentation. Before people wanted to make songs, they just wanted to create amazingly interesting sound.
I've been a long time operator user now and must say when I first started using it back on Live 5, it was limited. I hated that you could only use 4 operators etc for your designs. However, with Live 7's racks and improved routing...it's a fantastic little synth imo. Can make probably just about anything with the right combination of skill and motivation... |
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