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do you believe in, but ignnore god? (pg. 6)
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
My main point is human interaction would be better with a philsophy of love behind it.
no one can do anything more than circumstantial evidence put through a filter of perception that is necessarily biased. |
i agree with your philosophy. I think it's what every reilgion originally tried to obtain.....love, if not some sort of understanding, which i place within love anywayz.
all this mumbo jumbo on my religion says this, and mine says that.......meh......it's just conventional belief fed down the years.
it's all quite hilarious to sit back and watch everyone bicker about it. :D |
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| Orbax |
If you look at the major movements throughout history with the greeks and their Stoicism, hedonism, and epicureans...then move through renaissance, baroque, chinese mysticism...you can dig back into sun worship and animal priests...
it all ties back to everyone trying to have fun and endure all the other crap that tends to happen as well. People dont have built in mechanisms for abstract things such as death and grief and misery...its really hard to cope with those things. So we make more abstractions to effect a catharsis...
people are weird, and for the most part act as they would anyway. Like the Crusades. That wasnt Christianity doing it, it was the English, who eventually took over the world hehe.
Guess my point is for the most part believing in the crazy deepest darkest abstractions of religion have the smallest part to do with the actual message. Its food for thought, and only time you should be focusing on all that is when your relationship with everyone else in your life is great and you feel you are contributing to society in a beneficial way.
What wood the ark was made out of...who cares! its a philosophers play ground. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
If you look at the major movements throughout history with the greeks and their Stoicism, hedonism, and epicureans...then move through renaissance, baroque, chinese mysticism...you can dig back into sun worship and animal priests...
it all ties back to everyone trying to have fun and endure all the other crap that tends to happen as well. People dont have built in mechanisms for abstract things such as death and grief and misery...its really hard to cope with those things. So we make more abstractions to effect a catharsis...
people are weird, and for the most part act as they would anyway. Like the Crusades. That wasnt Christianity doing it, it was the English, who eventually took over the world hehe.
Guess my point is for the most part believing in the crazy deepest darkest abstractions of religion have the smallest part to do with the actual message. Its food for thought, and only time you should be focusing on all that is when your relationship with everyone else in your life is great and you feel you are contributing to society in a beneficial way.
What wood the ark was made out of...who cares! its a philosophers play ground. |
you think much like me, friend:tongue2 |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Its not as big of a rift as people think. When it said that the species were created immutable it wasnt saying micro evolution doesnt happen, just that macro doesnt. That in 10000 years a frog wont be a bird. I dont get why people think its so crazy. |
Well considering how this statement is analagous to saying that adopting religion evolves into inquisitions and crusades in less than a thousand years I guess can understand how I don't get how people who hate religion is such a crazy concept. |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Its not as big of a rift as people think. When it said that the species were created immutable it wasnt saying micro evolution doesnt happen, just that macro doesnt. That in 10000 years a frog wont be a bird. I dont get why people think its so crazy. |
There is no such thing as micro evolution or macro evolution, there is only evolution. Micro and macro was invented so that evidence of evolution would fit into creationist thinking. Normal people would at this point, when shown that they are wrong say "Well gosh guess what lads we were wrong all along, thank you mister scientist guy for showing us the error of our ways". A creationisht locked himself in the closet for several hours with his fingers in his ears saying to himself "This is not happening, this is not happening..." until he was enlightend. He would only agree that evoulition works for little things...like a rabit that changes the color of its fur in order to hide better during the winter...yeah that could work. The argument for everything else would still be goddidit.
And nobody is saying that in 10000 years a frog can be a bird, thats just stupid. But give it a couple million years and who knows what will happens. Thats what people fail to understand...big changes take a long long time. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjConfessions
well i wouldn't consider myself an athiest, and i do believe there is a god and that jesus existed. i do believe in a heaven and hell and that our actions in this world will put us in a new life in one of those two worlds.
i was grown up with god, going to church every sunday with my family. i was hardcore god (no, i didn't mispell goth) man and prayed every nite. i don't know if that's common these days in the world we live in these days to still get on your knees and pray to god.
however, as i reached my teenage years i became more rebellious to the point where i didn't even believe in god.
well, after i stopped being an to everyone and almost screwing up my life, i became what i am now
basically, i believe in god, but i want to live life the way i want to live. i try and keep in good morals, however i know that some of the things i do are in sin. while i am afraid of hell and such, i feel that my set of morals are ultimately going to place me in the "he led a good life" path. wether that gets me into hell or not, i'm afraid, but at the same time, i'm not afraid to live the way i live now.
there is the god crazy people, the undecided, the athiest, and then there seems to be this category i'm in.
my guess is that with the society we live in now, there are a LOT more people who feel this way than there was 20 or even 10 years ago. with people balancing booze, sex, drugs and relationships, lifestyles, careers, i would think there are people that fall in my category.
i mean, is there still people out there that follow every commandment, not thinking sexually about the opposite sex, abusing their body, or commiting any other "typical" sin we all have grown accustom to breaking? |
wow, i couldn't have put it better myself...that's pretty much the same boat i'm in. |
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| DaveSZ |
I really don't care if people want to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, is the center of the universe, or that the Spaghetti Monster created midgets.
What chaps my hide is when these people try to impose their own personal beliefs on others via the vehicles of government, acts of terrorism, etc.
This is what I mean when I refer to “Neo-Medievalism,” and those people can kiss my ass. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
I really don't care if people want to believe the Earth is 6000 years old, is the center of the universe, or that the Spaghetti Monster created midgets.
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ok wait........so are you saying the Spaghetti Monster didn't create midgets?!?!?!?!
ABSURD!!!!!!!
how dare yee insult my belief system!!!!!!!!:whip:
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| RipYouAnother |
| God save the Queen? |
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| JenniferRene |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjConfessions
well i wouldn't consider myself an athiest, and i do believe there is a god and that jesus existed. i do believe in a heaven and hell and that our actions in this world will put us in a new life in one of those two worlds.
i was grown up with god, going to church every sunday with my family. i was hardcore god (no, i didn't mispell goth) man and prayed every nite. i don't know if that's common these days in the world we live in these days to still get on your knees and pray to god.
however, as i reached my teenage years i became more rebellious to the point where i didn't even believe in god.
well, after i stopped being an to everyone and almost screwing up my life, i became what i am now
basically, i believe in god, but i want to live life the way i want to live. i try and keep in good morals, however i know that some of the things i do are in sin. while i am afraid of hell and such, i feel that my set of morals are ultimately going to place me in the "he led a good life" path. wether that gets me into hell or not, i'm afraid, but at the same time, i'm not afraid to live the way i live now.
there is the god crazy people, the undecided, the athiest, and then there seems to be this category i'm in.
my guess is that with the society we live in now, there are a LOT more people who feel this way than there was 20 or even 10 years ago. with people balancing booze, sex, drugs and relationships, lifestyles, careers, i would think there are people that fall in my category.
i mean, is there still people out there that follow every commandment, not thinking sexually about the opposite sex, abusing their body, or commiting any other "typical" sin we all have grown accustom to breaking? |
I think I am in the same category as you are. I find myself pondering this all the time. As you, I grew up in a Christian home, went to church every Sunday, my parents prayed before meals, blah blah blah. My life has been pretty good compared to a lot of people’s I’m sure but yet it just seems like some of the I’ve had to go through and some of the people that have been put into my life, I’m just like “Why?” And most importantly, “Why would he let those things happen to me and why would he let those kind of people into my life when all they do is hurt me over and over again?” Granted I know there’s evil in the world and we are tested everyday but some nights I really find myself questioning him. I am a believer and I know he’s there, I just don’t understand why he let’s me go through what I have to endure sometimes. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by JenniferRene
And most importantly, “Why would he let those things happen to me and why would he let those kind of people into my life when all they do is hurt me over and over again?” |
i'm pretty sure you have the power to eliminate such people in your life...that has nothing to do with "him". no one makes you put up with other people's other than yourself. |
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| JenniferRene |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
i'm pretty sure you have the power to eliminate such people in your life...that has nothing to do with "him". no one makes you put up with other people's other than yourself. |
u dont really know anything about me or my life but thanks for the advice. |
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