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OT: "Crystal" (pg. 3)
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| Keldana |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Ich bin ne dämliche Azubine und du ausgelernt :toothless |
Und ??? Du bist durch die Schule "im Training" und ich schon einige Jahre eingestaubt !!!
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Stimmt. Bei euch hab ich alles gelernt, nur nich die theoretischen Grundlagen die hinter euren Epolys stecken ;) Aber cool wars trotzdem :toothless |
Erm ... ah so ... ja ... *hust*
Erinner mich das nächste Mal dran, dann können wir das ja nachholen ... :toothless :toothless :toothless
Obwohl ... besonders spannend ist das echt nicht ... :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Stellt man Methamphetamine überhaupt direkt aus Amphetaminen her? :conf: |
Keine Ahnung ... aber wie ich schon geschrieben hatte, gehe ich nicht davon aus .... ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Bei der Substitution eines Hs durch die Methylgruppe fällt mir spontan Benzol > Toluol ein. |
Korrekt ... nur ist hierbei das H welches substituiert werden müßte nicht am Ring, sondern in der Seitenkette ... aber solange man die KKK-Regel und die SSS-Regel kennt, ist das ja kein Problem !!! :toothless
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Aber ich kann mir ja mal nen möglichen Syntheseweg überlegen |
Da bin ich mal gespannt !!! Das Endprodukt kannst Du Dir ja sicher schon einmal aufmalen:
1-Phenyl-2-(Methylamino)-Propan
sagt ja schon alles, oder ??? :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Selbst redend ;) Das sollte ja jedem klar sein dass unterschiedliche Stoffe auch unterschiedliche Eigenschaften haben. |
Wohl wahr !!! :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
Und, Moskau, wann basteln wir unsere eigenen reinen nebenwirkungs-freien Drogen? :crazy: |
Naja ... wir würden zwar sicher die Synthesewege hinbekommen, aber woher sollen wir wissen, was keine Nebenwirkungen hat .... obwohl ... mal die Biologen im FOÖ fragen !!! :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Rockabye |
| Keldana & Inyrie: holt ma Bunsenbrenner und Chemiebaukasten hervor und mixt was schönes. Könnte ein netter Nebenverdienst für euch werden. Ich übernehme auch den Vertrieb für euch :haha: :eek: ;) |
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| darkstar |
hab beides nicht vor, aber man kann nie wissen....
| quote: | Originally posted by Keldana
Korrekt ... nur ist hierbei das H welches substituiert werden müßte nicht am Ring, sondern in der Seitenkette ... aber solange man die KKK-Regel und die SSS-Regel kennt, ist das ja kein Problem !!! :toothless
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für nicht-chemiker
kkk = kälte kondensator kern (benzolring)
sss = sonne (uv-licht) siedehitze seitenkette
oder, laut römpp:
| quote: | KKK-Regel
Regel, nach der sich mit Chemie beschäftigte weibliche Personen eher um Küche, Kinder u. Kirche kümmern sollten. Die früher sehr populäre KKK-R. wird heute nur noch selten befolgt u. wird daher in der 10. Aufl. dieses Werkes ersatzlos gestrichen. S.a. Substitution.
Quelle: CD Römpp Chemie Lexikon – Version 1.0, Stuttgart/New York: Georg Thieme Verlag 1995 |
hab das noch nicht kontrolliert, bin da aber mal drübergestolpert ;) |
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| djdawn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Keldana
Habe ansonsten auch noch etwas zu dem Thema gefunden:
Metamphetaminbase ist eine ölige Flüssigkeit, kristallin sind nur seine Salze. Geraucht wird also die gleiche Substanz die auch gesnieft oder geschluckt wird, nämlich Methamphetamin-HCl. Damit man den Stoff rauchen kann, muss er aber eine gewisse Reinheit aufweisen, sonst verbrennen die Streckmittel und verhindern ein sauberes Verdampfen. Als Ice (oder Crystal) wird also eine sehr reine Form des Methamphetamin-HCl bezeichnet, die durch die klaren Kristalle eine Ähnlichkeit mit Eis (engl. ice) aufweist.
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so jetzt wirds langsam wirklich seltsam:
der link von Iny sagt dazu nämlich (für mich) etwas völlig anderes. Es sieht dort so aus, als wenn es nicht zwei, sondern drei verschiedene stoffe wären:
| quote: | | So wie beim Kokain ist es auch beim Methamphetamin nicht möglich, die Droge zu Rauchen, da sie sich beim Erhitzen zersetzt. Mittlerweile wurde aber ein Weg gefunden, mit dem das Methamphetamin auf einfache Weise in eine freie Base umgewandelt werden kann. Das so entstehende "Ice", auch "Crystal" oder "Glass" genannt, verhält sich zu seinem Ausgangsstoff Methamphetamin in etwas so wie Crack zu Kokain. Es wird so wie Crack in einer Pfeife oder auf einer Folie erhitzt und die aufsteigenden Dämpfe werden inhaliert. Schon nach wenigen Sekunden tritt ein kaum zu steigernder Rausch ein. Ice ist extrem potent, hoch gefährlich sehr suchterzeugend. |
das würde mir einiges verständlich machen, denn dass die freie base von Koks (crack) viel potenter und somit auch sucht-gefährlicher ist, dürfte feststehen.
wenn crystal also die freie base von methamphetamin ist, und dazu noch nur geraucht werden kann, wäre einiges klarer.
so klingt das aber in vielen anderen artikeln/berichten nicht. s.o. bei dem quote von keldana.
kann man crack eigentlich auch oral/intravenös nehmen oder wirkt das nur geraucht?
die bisherigen posts verdeutlichen eigentlich ganz gut den grund meines ersten postings: viel zu viel Halbwissen, "ich meine/glaube" usw...macht körperlich abhängig oder nicht, kann man rauchen/nicht rauchen, teuer/billig usw...
und das in einem "aufgeklärten" land wie D...wir sind hier ja zum Glück nicht in China. Aber verbindliche, korrekte Informationen sind anscheinend auch im Zeitalter des www nicht immer ohne weiteres zu bekommen.
hier noch ein quote von erowid zu "glass"
| quote: | Glass is almost always used as a slang term for Methamphetamine. Some people are under the impression that it is some related but stronger drug. Other people claim that it is a purer form of methamphetamine. While the term may have started as a description of particularly pure (very crystaline) Methamphetamine, it has quickly changed to mean any methamphetamine.
This is a common trend with slang terms. A term is created to describe ultra-pure or extra-strong material, but then everyone begins using the term to describe their material in order to give the impression that it is good quality when, in reality, it is no different from the average material on the market.
High quality meth can often be distinguished by the appearance of the crystals, when examined very closely. Larger crystals of a consistent size and color can be an indicator of higher quality. A name such as 'glass' means nothing. |
noch mehr verwirrung:
| quote: | | The drug is referred to by many names including "meth," "speed .. crank," ... "cristy." Pure methamphetamine hydrochloride, the smokeable form of the drug, is called "L.A." or - because of its clear, chunky crystals which resemble frozen water - "ice," "crystal," 64glass," or "quartz." |
@ Iny zur synthese:
industriell:
# Reduction of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine
# Reducing condensation product of BMK and methylamine
# Synthesis from D-phenylalanine
oder straßen-methoden (alle von erowid, die anderen können hier aufhören zu lesen ;))
| quote: | Condensation Product of Phenylacetone and Methylamine
From: [email protected][/email] (Speed Raver)
Assuming you don't have amphetamine lying around, an easy synthesis with a very high yield is to reduce the condensation product of phenylacetone and methylamine. The benefit of this method is that different amines can be used to produce novel N-alkyl amphetamines (ethamphetamine, tert-butylamphetamine, etc.)
From Ephedrine or Pseudoephedrine
From: [email protected] (Speed Raver)
Making it from ephedrine or pseudoephedrine is possible. The only difference between methamphetamine and (pseudo)ephedrine is that damn alpha-hydroxy group. Reacting your ephedrine with thionyl chloride replaces the OH with Cl to produce N-methyl-alpha-chloroamphetamine as an intermediate. Hydrogenating this product is easy: use lithium aluminum hydride, sodium borohydride, or even hydrogen gas with nickel or platinum metal as a catalyst. The product of this step is N-methylamphetamine and HCl. Evaporate off the water and you have methamphetamine hydrochloride.
From: [email protected][/email] (Yogi Shan)
Hydrogenation starting with (-) ephedrine, whether direct or via the halide, will give d-meth. If you start with dl-ephedrine, you get dl-meth.
Reduction With Hydroiodic Acid and Red Phosphorus
From: [email protected] (Lamont Granquist)
From Fester, Secrets of Meth Manufacturing:
Method 4: Reduction With Hydroiodic Acid and Red Phosphorus
In this procedure, the alcohol grouping of ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or PPA is reduced by boiling one of these compounds in a mixture of hydroiodic acid and red phosphorus. Hydroiodic acid works as a reducing agent because its dissociates at higher temperatures to iodine and hydrogen, which does the reducing. The dissociation is reversible. The equilibrium is shifted in favor of dissociation by adding red phosphorus to the mixture. The red phosphorus reacts with the iodine to produce PI3, which then further reacts with water to form phosphorus acid and more hydroiodic acid. Since the hydrogen atom of the HI is being absorbed by the ephedrine, the red phosphorus acts as a recycler.
In some reductions, the need for HI is dispensed with just by mixing red phosphorus and iodine crystals in a water solution. The red phosphorus then goes on to make HI by the above mentioned process. With a small amount of due care, this is an excellent alternative to either purchasing, stealing, or making your own pure hydroiodic acid.
This method has the advantage of being easy to do. It was formerly the most popular method of making meth from ephedrine. Now red phosphorus is on the California list of less restricted chemicals, so an increased level of subterfuge is called for to obtain significant amounts. One might think that this is easily gotten around by making your own red phosphorus, but this is a process I would not want to undertake. Ever hear of phosphorus shells? I would much rather face the danger of exploding champagne bottles. Those who insist on finding out for themselves, will see Journal of the American Chemical Society, volume 68, page 2305. As I recall, the Poor Man's James Bond also has a formula for making red phosphorus. Those with a knack for scrounging from industrial sources will profit from knowing that red phosphorus is used in large quantities in the fireworks and matchmaking industries. The striking pad on books of matches is about 50% red phosphorus.
The determined experimenter could obtain a pile of red phosphorus by scraping off the striking pads of matchbooks with a sharp knife. A typical composition of the striking pad is about 40% red phosphorus, along with about 30% antimony sulfide, and lesser amounts of glue, iron oxide, MnO2, and glass powder. I don't think these contaminants will seriously interfere with the reaction. Naturally, it is a tedious process to get large amounts of red phosphorus by scraping the striking pads off matchbooks.
Another problem with this method is that it can produce a pretty crude product if some simple precautions are not followed. From checking out typical samples of street meth, it seems basic precautions are routinely ignored. I believe that the by-products in the garbage meth are iodoephedrine, and the previously mentioned azirine. If a careful fractional distillation is done, these products can be removed. They can be avoided in the first place if, when making hydroiodic acid from iodine and red phosphorus, the acid is prepared first, and allowed to come to complete reaction for 20 minutes before adding the ephedrine to it. This will be a hassle for some, because the obvious procedure to follow is to use the water extract of the ephedrine pills to make the HI in. The way around the roadblock here is to just boil off some more of the water from the ephedrine pill extract, and make the acid mixture in fresh pure water. Since the production of HI from iodine and red phosphorus gives off a good deal of heat, it is wise to chill the mixture in ice, and slowly add the iodine crystals to the red phosphorus-water mixture.
To do the reaction, a 1000 ml round bottom flask is filled with 150 grams of ephedrine hydrochloride (or PPA-HCl). The use of the sulfate salt is unacceptable because HI reduces the sulfate ion, so this interferes with the reaction. Also added to the flask are 40 grams of red phosphorus and 340 ml of 47% hydroiodic acid. This same acid and red phosphorus mixture can be prepared from adding 150 grams of iodine crystals to 150 grams of red phosphorus in 300 ml of water. This should produce the strong hydroiodic acid solution needed. Exactly how strong the acid needs to be, I can't say . I can tell you that experiments have shown that one molar HI is ineffective at reducing ephedrine to meth. The 47% acid mentioned above is a little over 3.5 molar. I would think that so long as one is over 3 molar acid, the reaction will work.
With the ingredients mixed together in the flask, a condenser is attached to the flask, and the mixture is boiled for one day. This length of time is needed for best yields and highest octane numbers on the product. While it is cooking, the mixture is quite red and messy looking from the red phosphorus floating around in it.
When one day of boiling under reflux is up, the flask is allowed to cool, then it is diluted with an equal volume of water. Next, the red phosphorus is filtered out. A series of doubled up coffee filters will work to get out all the red phosphorus, but real filter paper is better. The filtered solution should look a golden color. A red color may indicate that all the phosphorus is not yet out. If so, it is filtered again. The filtered-out phosphorus can be saved for use in the next batch. If filtering does not remove the red color, there may be iodine floating around the solution. It can be removed by adding a few dashes of sodium bisulfate or sodium thiosulfate.
The next step in processing the batch is to neutralize the acid. A strong lye solution is mixed up and added to the batch with shaking until the batch is strongly basic. This brings the meth out as liquid free base floating on top of the water. The strongly basic solution is shaken vigorously to ensure that all the meth has been converted to the free base.
With free base meth now obtained, the next step, as usual, is to form the crystalline hydrochloride salt of meth. To do this, a few hundred mls of toluene is added to the batch, and the meth free base extracted out as usual. If the chemist's cooking has been careful, the color of the toluene extract will be clear to pale yellow. If this is the case, the product is sufficiently pure to make nice white crystals just by bubbling dry HCl gas through the toluene extract as described in Chapter 5. If the toluene extract is darker colored, a distillation is called for to get pure meth free base. The procedure for that is also described in Chapter 5. The yield of pure methamphetamine hydrochloride should be from 100 to 110 grams.
Lithium-Ammonia Reduction
Reference: Ely, R. A. and McGrath, D.C., "Lithium-Ammonia Reduction of Ephedrine to Methamphetamine: An Unusual Clandestine Synthesis," Journal of Forensic Sciences, JFSCA, Vol. 35, No. 3, May 1990, pp. 720-723
Procedure:
All the chemicals were reagent grade, with no special treatment of the tetrahydrofuran (THF), and the atmosphere above the condensed ammonia was not flushed with nitrogen gas.
A three-neck flask was cooled in a dry ice/acetone bath. A condenser was fitted in the center neck, an additional funnel containing l-ephedrine base in THF was fitted into one side neck, and a rubber stopper fitted with a glass tube extending to the bottom of the flask was fitted in the third neck. Anhydrous ammonia gas was condensed and collected in the flask. Small pieces of lithium metal were rinsed in petroleum ether, patted dry, and added to the condensed ammonia. A deep royal blue color was noted as the lithium metal dissolved in the condensed ammonia.
The l-ephedrine was added drop wise to the lithium ammonia solution over a period of approximately 10 minutes with stirring. When all of the l-ephedrine had been added, ammonium chloride was added slowly to the solution. The flask was removed from the cooling bath, and the condensed ammonia was allowed to warm to room temperature and evaporate from the flask through the side necks.
When most of the ammonia had evaporated, water was added to the remaining solution until it cleared and any remaining lithium metal was decomposed. The remaining solution was removed from the flask to a separatory funnel, where the aqueous layer was discarded. The THF layer was dried with magnesium sulfate, and the hydrochloride salt of the methamphetamine was made by bubbling hydrogen chloride through the THF.
The same procedure was used, substituting phenylproponolamine and methylephedrine as the starting materials. A second synthesis was conducted with l-ephedrine, using the same procedure except that the reaction was not quenched with ammonium chloride.
Results:
The reaction was found to reduce l-ephedrine to d-methamphetamine quickly and easily . Furthermore, it was found that the reaction converted phenylpropanolamine to amphetamine and methylephedrine to dimethylamphetamine. The time required for the reaction to proceed from the condensing of the ammonia gas in the reaction flask until the excess lithium was decomposed was approximately one hour. The majority of this time was spent waiting for the condensed ammonia to evaporate from the reaction flask.
It was also found that the ephedrine would reduce to methamphetamine without the addition of ammonium chloride as a quenching agent.
From: [email protected] (Eleusis)
According to the infamous J.For.Sci. article describing a "novel method of amphetamine production", the researchers concluded that with or without an ammonium chloride quench yields were good. I like this article especially because the rinky-dink DEA chemists that wrote it didn't seem to entirely grasp the concept of the procedure they were doing (in fact, a slightly modified Birch reduction known by some other name I can't recall). All in all, quite an entertaining and educational article ;-).
From: [email protected] (DMurphy3)
This may be so (in fact I read the same article), but typically a water quench leads to the alcohol, which is what we were trying to get rid of to start with. Also, if one were using Na rather than Li (Na is the Birch, I too forget the Li named reduction), adding water to quench will *definitely* be exciting, particularly considering the flammability of THF or ether.
Apparently they were following the guys handwritten notes. It would have been even more interesting had they used the real Birch method, using Na, especially when they tried the water quench ;>)
From: [email protected] (Eleusis)
Yep - apparently that would be the case. As well, any extra Li (or Na if doing the straight Birch method) would convert to the Hydroxide, which might the product up a bit.
I bet you they *did* do that the first time, and then, after they replaced that wing of the lab, they decided not to "publish" those results ;-).
From Phenylalanine
From: [email protected] (Speed Raver)
A surprisingly simple synthesis is possible from the amino acid phenylalanine, which is available at health food stores for about $14 for 100 tablets. Phenylalanine is 2-amino-3-phenylpropanoic acid, which is more or less amphetamine with a COOH where the CH3 should be at the end of the chain. Thionyl chloride will replace the OH with a Cl, which falls off and is replaced by H when you give it lithium aluminum hydride, sodium borohydride, or hydrogen gas and nickel/platinum. If you use hydrogen and metal for that step, you'll ha v e to reduce the carbonyl group with one of the hydrides, so best save time + effort and use them and do both reductions at once. When that carbonyl is reduced, you now have amphetamine. Go back up to that first one I mentioned for upgrading amphetamine into methamphetamine.
Incomplete Syntheses
These are methods that are subjectively evaluated to be less useful, but still may serve as interesting lessons in applied chemistry.
Synthesis from Amphetamine
From: [email protected] (Speed Raver)
One of the easiest ways to make methamphetamine is from amphetamine. Of course, this assumes you have amphetamine in the first place, but let's just pretend you have some and you want to spice it up a bit. The difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine is the addition of a single methyl group (CH3) to the amino group sticking off the middle carbon atom in the chain. Fortunately, substituting amines is really simple. Vaporize your amine (your amphetamine) with a bunch of vaporized chloromethane (CH3Cl, a solvent) and some gaseous pyridine... voila, the amino group takes the methyl from the chloromethane and lets a hydrogen go. The hydrogen joins the liberated chlorine, and the resulting HCl is soaked up by the pyridine. The pyridine is optional. Adding it drives the reaction a bit by pulling the excess HCl out of the equation, but it's not necessary.
Methylamine
From: [email protected] (David Naugler)
[email protected] (Jason Kennerly) writes:
Does the P2P method [reductive amination] ever end up attaching TWO chains to the same methylamine, producing a crazy looking monster with two "wings"
This last question is solved be reference to a principle called the law of mass action. An excess of methylamine will inhibit the secondary reactions.
Typically, a reductive amination done in a parr bomb or using sodium cyanoborohydride is done with a five times molar excess of methylamine (or methylamine hydrochloride.)
Phenylacetone
From: [email][email protected] (Jason Kennerly)
Let me know how bromobenzene + acetone + NaOH turns out. I'm interested in this since I haven't seen it anywhere else (unlike some people, I don't have the Abstracts in my closet :)
Make sure to use an EXCESS of acetone, because 1 its more readily available and 2 it will prevent any diphenyl/triphenyl/xphenyl acetone from forming.
Hell, if your making straight amphetamine, you could even just go with acetone as the solvent too, if you could come up with a good way to separate the 2-aminopropane you'd make with the amphetamine. Given that this gunk has a bp of 33 or 34 degrees at standard pressure, it shouldn't be too hard. Smells like ammonia though... maybe you should "catch" it in HCl water when you distill.
As with any distillation there will be some left over. Never fear, 2aminopropane (or "isopropylamine") is water MISCIBLE. Yes, the BASE form is miscible w/ H2O! Amphetamine BASE is only "slightly" soluble in water, so if your really a purist you can dissolve your "mostly amphetamine some 2aminopropane" in ether and backwash with water maybe ONCE. Then precipitate the crystals with dry HCl or H2SO4?
Question is, how much ammonia and reducing agent are you willing to waste on making 2aminopropane?
Purification by Crystallization
From: [email][email protected] (Sean Casey)
For a purification by crystallization of any of the HCL salts of ephedrine and related illegals, I'd suggest a two solvent system with methanol and methylethylketone. This tends to occlude a slight amount of solvent so keep your crystal size small and grind and dry the result. Both these solvents are easily available if you know where to look.
I wouldn't suggest ethanol or acetone as they tend to easily collect H2O; this can happen unexpectedly and when it does, their solvency power will greatly increase, redissolving your crystals. Be careful as methanol is toxic; don't get it on you or breathe the fumes.
Read a lab handbook about two-solvent purification by crystallization. Fascinating stuff. |
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| Inyrie |
| quote: | Originally posted by darkstar
hab beides nicht vor, aber man kann nie wissen....
für nicht-chemiker
kkk = kälte kondensator kern (benzolring)
sss = sonne (uv-licht) siedehitze seitenkette |
:haha: Du N00b!
Das heißt Kälte KATALYSATOR Kernsubstitution
Oder Sonnenlicht Siedehitze SeitenkettenSUBSTITUTION :haha:
Sagt aus (eigtl. bei Aromaten) unter welchen Bedingungen eine Reaktion an welchem Ort (bzw. Teil des Moleküls) geschieht :)
| quote: | oder, laut römpp:
hab das noch nicht kontrolliert, bin da aber mal drübergestolpert ;) |
Das steht da wirklich drin :rolleyes: |
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| Inyrie |
Heh, I lav this thread 
Nicht, weil ich Drogen mag, aber ich finde sie vom chemischen Aspekt her unheimlich interessant.
@Gerhard: LSD, oh ja, das flsht garantiert total :crazy: Am besten mit ein paar Pilzen und nem netten Tee serviert, als Absacker nen Kurzen und fertig biste :haha: |
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| drizzt81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdawn
die bisherigen posts verdeutlichen eigentlich ganz gut den grund meines ersten postings: viel zu viel Halbwissen, "ich meine/glaube" usw...macht körperlich abhängig oder nicht, kann man rauchen/nicht rauchen, teuer/billig usw...
und das in einem "aufgeklärten" land wie D...wir sind hier ja zum Glück nicht in China. Aber verbindliche, korrekte Informationen sind anscheinend auch im Zeitalter des www nicht immer ohne weiteres zu bekommen.
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Stimmt zwar, aber das Halbwissen kommt von der Illegalitaet. Da der Besitz von Crystal Meth nunmal illegal ist, und es 'generel' als Schaedlich dargestellt wird, gibt es nun mal keinerlei Studien darueber, was Meth nun ist oder auch nicht. Das viele (wie ich) da nur halbwissen haben ist doch klar, oder? Ich haette z.B. nie gedacht, dass Speed = Crystal Meth, wenn ich den Thread jetzt nun richtig deute, dann ist da kein Unterschied, oder? |
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| Rockabye |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
Ich haette z.B. nie gedacht, dass Speed = Crystal Meth, wenn ich den Thread jetzt nun richtig deute, dann ist da kein Unterschied, oder? |
Nein. Sie sind ähnlich aber nicht komplett gleich.
Die chemische Zusammensetzung ist ja auch unterschiedlich.
Und von der Wirkung will ich gar nicht reden, da ist Crystal Speed oder Crystal Meth ja ungefähr 10x so heftig wie die Partydroge Speed und dementsprechend ja auch gefährlicher.
Und das um Crystal ein Hype gemacht wird denke ich nicht, sonst würd das in Teilen der USA nicht so zum Problem werden. |
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| Keldana |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdawn
der link von Iny sagt dazu nämlich (für mich) etwas völlig anderes. Es sieht dort so aus, als wenn es nicht zwei, sondern drei verschiedene stoffe wären:
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also wenn das 3 Stoffe aus dem Text hervor gehen soll, den Du in Deinem Post anschließend hattest, dann habe ich glaube ich Hallos ... ich lese da nur 2 Stoffe raus ... |
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| djdawn |
naja, ich dachte da an 1. Amphetamin, 2. Methamphetamin und wegen | quote: | | ...ein Weg gefunden, mit dem das Methamphetamin auf einfache Weise in eine freie Base umgewandelt werden kann. Das so entstehende "Ice", auch "Crystal" oder "Glass" genannt, verhält sich zu seinem Ausgangsstoff Methamphetamin in etwas so wie Crack zu Kokain |
als drittes an Crystal.
oder ist die freie Base die selbe substanz in reinform oder so?
crack ist doch chemisch auch nicht das gleiche wie Koks, oder?
und du meinst doch wohl "hallus" und nicht "hallos", kommt doch von halluzinationen...;)
@drizzt: speed ist nach dem bisher gesagten nicht das gleiche wie crystal, es kann anscheinend aber gut passieren, dass dir jemand sagt, er hat speed und es ist in wirklichkeit crystal. oder umgekehrt. |
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| Rockabye |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdawn
@drizzt: speed ist nach dem bisher gesagten nicht das gleiche wie crystal, es kann anscheinend aber gut passieren, dass dir jemand sagt, er hat speed und es ist in wirklichkeit crystal. oder umgekehrt. |
eher umgekehrt. wirtschaftlich wäre es ja dämlich jemandem zu sagen man hätte das billigere um ihm dann das teurere geben. |
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| darkstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inyrie
:haha: Du N00b!
Das heißt Kälte KATALYSATOR Kernsubstitution
Oder Sonnenlicht Siedehitze SeitenkettenSUBSTITUTION :haha:
Sagt aus (eigtl. bei Aromaten) unter welchen Bedingungen eine Reaktion an welchem Ort (bzw. Teil des Moleküls) geschieht :)
Das steht da wirklich drin :rolleyes: |
stimmt, das wort kam mir schon beim schreiben so komisch vor ;)
und dass es um aromaten geht hab ich dann wieder vorrausgesetzt
aber die sss regel hab ich ohne substitution gelern....sonst wärens ja 4 s ;) |
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