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| EvilTree |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4287790.stm
By Hugh Schofield
Paris
Mourners gather outside the tower block from which the girls jumped
One of the girls had previously said she wanted to kill herself
France has reacted with horror as details emerged this week of the twin suicide of two teenage girls who bound their hands together and jumped from the 17th-storey window of a block of flats in Paris.
The 14-year old girls, who have been named only as Marion and Virginie, were both heavily influenced by the gothic fashion in music and clothes.
Friends said they were obsessed by talk of death, and the weblog kept by one of the girls contained long and morbid extracts from the lyrics of a leading French black metal band.
On Sunday, the pair's school friends gathered for a brief memorial service at the foot of the tower block in Ivry-sur-Seine, a southern suburb of the capital.
One of them - named in French newspapers as Benjamin - described how Marion and Virginie joined him and a friend in his top-floor apartment on Friday afternoon.
"They said to us: 'Wait there, we are going into the bedroom. We are going to give you a surprise.'
"Then they said: 'Come in!' And then we saw them on the window ledge. We couldn't do anything. They just jumped," he said.
A suicide note was found in one of their pockets. It read: "Life isn't worth it."
'Not happy'
The story has provoked widespread shock because the girls were from very average middle-class homes, in a very average suburban neighbourhood.
Though they had attracted attention for their black clothes and brooding personalities, no-one imagined for a minute that their alienation from the world was so extreme.
According to newspaper reports, the two girls ran away from home early last week.
She was permanently humiliated. Everyone made fun of her clothes
Melisa
They were found by local police who questioned them and found nothing unusual about their manner.
Friends said Marion had often pronounced an intention to kill herself, but no-one had taken her seriously.
"It was clear she wasn't happy," a girl called Melisa told France Soir newspaper.
"Like me she dressed in gothic outfits. But she got teased mercilessly for it. She was permanently humiliated. Everyone made fun of her clothes."
Perhaps the biggest clue to Marion's confusion can be found on her weblog, part of which has been transferred to a tribute website set up by her friends.
In it, she delivers an angry and self-hating stream of consciousness based around sex, beauty and death, interspersed with lyrics from the French black metal group, Anorexia Nervosa.
Violent lyrics
The group from the central town of Limoges - one of whose albums is called Suicide is Sexy - has a loyal following among a section of French youth. Its lyrics are hard-hitting.
"I hate you. I vomit on your soul and your family. Death to your parents. Torture and rape to your children. I hate you to death," are the words of one song on Marion's weblog.
"You are the whore of human weakness. Tepid and obscene. Blinded by the sweaty desire of vanity. Worthless."
All sorts of music have driven people to extremes of behaviour. Not just black metal
Jeff Veillet
Rock One magazine
Another reads: "I can't take any more. I have had enough. I have burned my eyes and I am afraid."
In Britain and the US, campaigners for family values have long complained about the content of black metal and death metal songs, alleging that their violent and death-obsessed lyrics can tip the sensitive into self-destruction.
Jeff Veillet, of leading French rock magazine Rock One, defended Anorexia Nervosa from charges that it is playing a dangerous game with the insecurities of teenage girls.
"Yes, there is a provocative side to groups like Anorexia. But just because they talk about death in their songs, it doesn't mean they want people to commit suicide. It is an act - a way of getting through to adolescents," he said.
"All sorts of music have driven people to extremes of behaviour. Not just black metal."
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| TranceGrooves |
| thousands of ppl die of stavation and s around the world and no one gives a flying . those ppl dont want to die they want to live but yet they end op dead. these 2 dumbasses take their own life cos of w0tever reason and the whole country is shocked. give me a ing break. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
thousands of ppl die of stavation and s around the world and no one gives a flying . those ppl dont want to die they want to live but yet they end op dead. these 2 dumbasses take their own life cos of w0tever reason and the whole country is shocked. give me a ing break. |
+ 1 billion
I have absolutely no sympathy for people that commit suicide.
And everytime something like this happens, people start pointing fingers at the music, media, school or whatever. All BS. Both girls were just mentally unstable. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
+ 1 billion
I have absolutely no sympathy for people that commit suicide.
And everytime something like this happens, people start pointing fingers at the music, media, school or whatever. All BS. Both girls were just mentally unstable. |
Perhaps. Or were they just very... emotional?
Temporary insanity?
Heck, we all do something stupid out of some 'feeling'. I don't think that makes us mentally unstable. |
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| Crib |
| life is valuable...killing yourself won't grant you happiness... |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Perhaps. Or were they just very... emotional?
Temporary insanity?
Heck, we all do something stupid out of some 'feeling'. I don't think that makes us mentally unstable. |
I don't think suicide can be considered a spur-of-the-moment thing. "Hey, I just had a great idea! Let's go kill ourselves!"
Besides, they were talking about suicide for a long time before. Plus, before jumping off they said "We are going to give you a surprise". Both of these things point to the fact that both girls were just attention whores, and as such, do not deserve my attention. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crib
life is valuable...killing yourself won't grant you happiness... |
No, but it takes you away from any more torture (as they saw it). If existing is morbid and horrible for you, then dying would clearly end your torment.
That's the logic behind committing suicide if you're troubled and extraordinarily discontent in your life. It's just not worth (at that point in time) to wait it out to see if it improves - here's an immediate solution - and who cares that it's permanent and you'll never know if things would have gotten better.
Jem. |
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| Crib |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar and you'll never know if things would have gotten better.
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^^ That's what really ticks me off... |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crib
^^ That's what really ticks me off... |
But you're dead, so it's a moot point - it doesn't matter anymore. they're not worrying about "what if" anymore... they're dead.
they successfully ended their bane... whether it happened thru a lack of existence or thru things eventually (in months, years, or decades) getting better.
their goal was completed successfully and they are no longer around to lament the fact that they are potentially missing joys later on in life - it doesn't matter if you're dead.
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
What a waste. |
..of my time reading that...yea, i know |
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| dEsidEL |
too bad .. i think Goth fasion is hot
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