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So does anyone actually like Experience by The Prodigy? (pg. 3)
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
And why on earth should it not be evaluated like any album of its ilk, when there are plenty of albums just as old that stand the test of time quite excellently? |
because it's all down to taste & opinion, and that's always going to differ between people, it's something that should be accepted yet we have people like the thread starter and yourself who're trying to make it something it's not, and then putting it down for not living upto that. Just deal with the fact that you & others don't think it's done a good job over the years when myself & others do, and stop looking for ways to argue every single point until nobody gives a to argue the case anymore & you delude yourself that you've won. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Sometimes I dream I had the argumentation skills Sand Leaper does. Then I wake up. :( |
He doesn't have argumentation skills, he's just a politician, in that he bores people less to the point where they submit & don't bother arguing, cos whether he's right or not his opinion means more to him than anyone elses |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
because it's all down to taste & opinion, and that's always going to differ between people, it's something that should be accepted yet we have people like the thread starter and yourself who're trying to make it something it's not, and then putting it down for not living upto that. Just deal with the fact that you & others don't think it's done a good job over the years when myself & others do, and stop looking for ways to argue every single point until nobody gives a to argue the case anymore & you delude yourself that you've won. |
Musical quality, which I presume was what the thread starter was talking about, isn't a matter of taste. If the quality of production is low or amateurish, then it IS low or amateurish. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Musical quality, which I presume was what the thread starter was talking about, isn't a matter of taste. If the quality of production is low or amateurish, then it IS low or amateurish. |
if you like the album, of course you're going to think it's good quality, if you don't, then you'll pick at whatever you think you can, that's just how it is, and doesn't make it correct one way or another |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
if you like the album, of course you're going to think it's good quality, if you don't, then you'll pick at whatever you think you can, that's just how it is, and doesn't make it correct one way or another |
Do you see the difference between subjective quality and absolute quality?
Say, let's take a house. If it's painted yellow, one could say it's quality is low or high. A matter of taste.
However, if the door breaks when you open it and your feet go through the floor all the time, it's bad quality no matter how you look at it. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Do you see the difference between subjective quality and absolute quality?
Say, let's take a house. If it's painted yellow, one could say it's quality is low or high. A matter of taste.
However, if the door breaks when you open it and your feet go through the floor all the time, it's bad quality no matter how you look at it. |
that isn't the point, to ears that like the sound, it's always going to sound good regardless, I've had the tape to it for years & it sounds fine to me, does that make me somewhat less of a person because I can't spot what you can, or does it just make it down to taste, which is what I've said all along. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Musical quality, which I presume was what the thread starter was talking about, isn't a matter of taste. If the quality of production is low or amateurish, then it IS low or amateurish. |
Yes, but you put all your emphasis in flashy production values. If you're looking at Experience hoping for brilliant quality production, then you're severely deluded.
Experience may have aged a lot, but its highlights (and you really should buy Experience Expanded for the proper mixes of these highlights) sound timeless even now. A month doesn't go by without me hearing Out of Space- whether it's Laurent Garnier rinsing it, Norman Cook peaking his Glastonbury set with it, hearing it booming out of some pimped up Vauxhall Corsa's speakers at the traffic lights or blasting out of a clothes shop in a shopping centre. A lot of it is timeless, because the simple, enthusiastic energy that pours out of the album is as exhilerating now as ever.
One thing people forget when they listen to dance music is that the kit it was made on is always secondary to the melody, the rhythm and musical ideas that the music conveys. Nobody bashes Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band because it was recorded on a 4 track. Nobody will ever say that the album is "low and amateurish" because it is limited by the technology of the time. The Prodge didn't have access to thousands of pounds worth of studio kit- most of it was recorded on Liam Howlett's rag-tag bunch of synths in his bedroom. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yes, but you put all your emphasis in flashy production values. If you're looking at Experience hoping for brilliant quality production, then you're severely deluded.
Experience may have aged a lot, but its highlights (and you really should buy Experience Expanded for the proper mixes of these highlights) sound timeless even now. A month doesn't go by without me hearing Out of Space- whether it's Laurent Garnier rinsing it, Norman Cook peaking his Glastonbury set with it, hearing it booming out of some pimped up Vauxhall Corsa's speakers at the traffic lights or blasting out of a clothes shop in a shopping centre. A lot of it is timeless, because the simple, enthusiastic energy that pours out of the album is as exhilerating now as ever.
One thing people forget when they listen to dance music is that the kit it was made on is always secondary to the melody, the rhythm and musical ideas that the music conveys. Nobody bashes Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band because it was recorded on a 4 track. Nobody will ever say that the album is "low and amateurish" because it is limited by the technology of the time. The Prodge didn't have access to thousands of pounds worth of studio kit- most of it was recorded on Liam Howlett's rag-tag bunch of synths in his bedroom. |
exactly, for once I totally agree with you here :) Maybe you just have a better way of putting it than me, but I don't see where the 'objective' points can come from. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yes, but you put all your emphasis in flashy production values. If you're looking at Experience hoping for brilliant quality production, then you're severely deluded.
Experience may have aged a lot, but its highlights (and you really should buy Experience Expanded for the proper mixes of these highlights) sound timeless even now. A month doesn't go by without me hearing Out of Space- whether it's Laurent Garnier rinsing it, Norman Cook peaking his Glastonbury set with it, hearing it booming out of some pimped up Vauxhall Corsa's speakers at the traffic lights or blasting out of a clothes shop in a shopping centre. A lot of it is timeless, because the simple, enthusiastic energy that pours out of the album is as exhilerating now as ever.
One thing people forget when they listen to dance music is that the kit it was made on is always secondary to the melody, the rhythm and musical ideas that the music conveys. Nobody bashes Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band because it was recorded on a 4 track. Nobody will ever say that the album is "low and amateurish" because it is limited by the technology of the time. The Prodge didn't have access to thousands of pounds worth of studio kit- most of it was recorded on Liam Howlett's rag-tag bunch of synths in his bedroom. |
liam could well have worked on the exact same equipment joey beltram did, in fact he could have spent more.
yet the production values in music by joey beltram from the time (or even earlier) are higher than those of prodigy's. |
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| humilis |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Nobody bashes Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band because it was recorded on a 4 track. Nobody will ever say that the album is "low and amateurish" because it is limited by the technology of the time. The Prodge didn't have access to thousands of pounds worth of studio kit- most of it was recorded on Liam Howlett's rag-tag bunch of synths in his bedroom. |
True. Correct me, if I'm wrong, but Liam used only one Roland sampler and Roland MC-202 in the whole album. IMO it's a well produced album, but it hasn't the best versions of the tunes in it. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
liam could well have worked on the exact same equipment joey beltram did, in fact he could have spent more.
yet the production values in music by joey beltram from the time (or even earlier) are higher than those of prodigy's. |
So Beltram was a better producer. Howlett was better at writing music. I know which I prefer.
And of course, Prodigy records have never been noted for their production values. |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So Beltram was a better producer. Howlett was better at writing music. |
Unlike production quality, this is completely subjective. |
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