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france :seventh night of riots (pg. 3)
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Wow, I didn't know that. That's highly ineffective and silly. How could they expect a practice like that to produce positive results? |
Well, it's like socialism, in theory it's a great idea but it doesn't work out in practice! Although I'm not even sure if it would be good in theory, diversity is much more kick ass imo... So yeah, the problem is deep rooted and hopefully this brings something positive with it - ie change in policies. Although it is probably worse than that, French are really conservative especially when it comes to their culture so I guess it's harder than just a shift in policies... |
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| LazFX |
Man this is really ed up!!
Seriously man, this sucks.
What to do. Could this be a plot by the Radical Islamic, jihad jihad durka durka terrorist organizations that seem to have a death grip on the young and underprevilaged muslims, who I might add, are the majority or damn near all the racial/religious makeup of the "thugs" doing this??? hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Or will the french give in to these so called thugs?? For "peace in our time"
If not a plot, One hell of an oppurtunity!!!
Or and possibly more to the truth is..............................I got to stop smoking this !!!! ha ha
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| Zombie0915 |
Well its not like we are "giving" jobs to our immigrants either, they have to go find them themselves. So immigrants come into France, and are granted welfare. They can't get jobs and must depend on the socialism to survive. They grow angry because the welfare only gives them enough to survive, but not to truely live.
The American system is so very similar to this, we also have welfare and it allows the unemployed to survive, but does not give them enough to truely live. We also have angry minorities who have become dependant on the state.
I don't agree that welfare is a "government grant to do nothing", I think alot of the poor have grown to think that way because they would rather be lazy, but there are also many people who get layed off or excluded from the economy in some other way and welfare allows them to at least survive while they search for new work or have their baby or whatever, this seems to be a humane thing to do even if a minority of people are abusing it. The problem I imagine is that there are not enough jobs for these immigrants, perhaps they are being excluded from employment unfairly, if that is the case then the riots are somewhat understandable, but it doesn't look like a very constructive way to push for less descrimination in the hiring process.
This is why I asked for more detail about the differences, because to me they appear to be very similar. The only difference seems to be this cultural thing, in what ways does France make the immigrants into being French, aside from the banning of religous symbols in public? |
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| h0tsweetbabyd0l |
the riots are not all over france ....274 towns had riots in total
the journalists interviewed one guy from the suburb and the guy was like "yea we are fed up with this society ....i burnt 4 cars "
the journalist "what do u want to do in life?"
the guy " me ...nothing no i want to stay this way"
so my question is what should we do?most of these kids don't want to do anything .....so yeah how to deal with them and according the police most of these kids are teenagers between 13 and 16 for most of them ....they have violence access |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
Well its not like we are "giving" jobs to our immigrants either, they have to go find them themselves. So immigrants come into France, and are granted welfare. They can't get jobs and must depend on the socialism to survive. They grow angry because the welfare only gives them enough to survive, but not to truely live.
The American system is so very similar to this, we also have welfare and it allows the unemployed to survive, but does not give them enough to truely live. We also have angry minorities who have become dependant on the state.
I don't agree that welfare is a "government grant to do nothing", I think alot of the poor have grown to think that way because they would rather be lazy, but there are also many people who get layed off or excluded from the economy in some other way and welfare allows them to at least survive while they search for new work or have their baby or whatever, this seems to be a humane thing to do even if a minority of people are abusing it. The problem I imagine is that there are not enough jobs for these immigrants, perhaps they are being excluded from employment unfairly, if that is the case then the riots are somewhat understandable, but it doesn't look like a very constructive way to push for less descrimination in the hiring process. |
Well, the difference here is that the US government (at least I think so) put a lot more demands on its welfare recepitants. In the US if you don't apply for jobs you are not eligable for welfare either (I think?). Plus the ppl on welfare in France get a hell lot more than the ppl in the US.
| quote: | | This is why I asked for more detail about the differences, because to me they appear to be very similar. The only difference seems to be this cultural thing, in what ways does France make the immigrants into being French, aside from the banning of religous symbols in public? |
They are much more keen to keep their tradition and do everything in their French way. Just that h0tsweetbabyd0l actually started a thread about how they were starting Muslim fast food resturants in France now, would give you an idea. In the US that would never ever be an issue. There are tons of things like that. We have it here in Sweden too, and I can defently see a huge difference between here and north America, and then again Sweden is not *as bad* as France (although still bad). |
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| oje_oje |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
nobody answered my question.
i'm scheduled to visit Paris Dec. 1-4. I'll be arriving by train from Germany.
Should I stay away from France and spend my vacation in Germany? I'll be in Hamburg/Bremen. Will that area be safe?
And right now Continental Airlines isn't going to refund my ticket Paris-US because they didn't receive any official warnings from the State Dept. |
Okay, then I will do it from my german point of view. Do not stay away! It should be safe to go to Paris. The dangerous quarters are outside the main areas of Paris. Also, cars are burning but not men or women. And do you really think that it takes another three to four weeks until everything calms down? Almost probably not. It is much less dangerous to go to Paris even with riots going on than visiting the wrong quarters of L.A. Also, Paris is a must see... |
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| tctitan |
| france has a military? :toothless |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Wow, I didn't know that. That's highly ineffective and silly. How could they expect a practice like that to produce positive results? |
Fox isn't so bad now is it? ;) :p |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
It makes me curous about how the French mothod of integration differs from the method used in English speaking countries. Can somebody go into detail about that a bit more than this article that I found? Mind you this article isn't me stating my opinion about anything it was just a piece of information that I found which made me curious. |
That article goes into little to no detail in giving any factual information about integration plans. It's what I would consider an empty piece of text. But that's solely my own belief.
To resume the model of integration in France at least the way I interprete is this:
-There is no model!
One view I have had in the US is that people who immigrate over there and plan on gaining US citizenship have to swear loyalty to the country and things like that. A lot of immigrants in the US also give this image that they are proud to be part of this great mix and that they are all american despite their different ways.
France and it's citizens as a whole have a cocky pride about being french but in much less concrete ways then the US.
People in France barely know the national anthem and most cultural offsprings and immigrants do not mix their past life styles with the french ones. French people have pride but it's untangible so it makes it impossible to pass it on to immigrants.
As immigrants in a foreign land I believe it's important to keep your roots but also assimilate with the local country.
Such is not the case in France.
Integration is non existent for the most part.
France doesn't refuse them but also doesn't fully integrate them so immigrants even second and third generation ones live solely off their old cultural identity.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
Well its not like we are "giving" jobs to our immigrants either, they have to go find them themselves. So immigrants come into France, and are granted welfare. They can't get jobs and must depend on the socialism to survive. They grow angry because the welfare only gives them enough to survive, but not to truely live.
The American system is so very similar to this, we also have welfare and it allows the unemployed to survive, but does not give them enough to truely live. We also have angry minorities who have become dependant on the state.
I don't agree that welfare is a "government grant to do nothing", I think alot of the poor have grown to think that way because they would rather be lazy, but there are also many people who get layed off or excluded from the economy in some other way and welfare allows them to at least survive while they search for new work or have their baby or whatever, this seems to be a humane thing to do even if a minority of people are abusing it. The problem I imagine is that there are not enough jobs for these immigrants, perhaps they are being excluded from employment unfairly, if that is the case then the riots are somewhat understandable, but it doesn't look like a very constructive way to push for less descrimination in the hiring process.
This is why I asked for more detail about the differences, because to me they appear to be very similar. The only difference seems to be this cultural thing, in what ways does France make the immigrants into being French, aside from the banning of religous symbols in public? |
Regardless of which country you are in I believe there is a need for welfare as a means to help the truly needy.
Where France fails is that they make it too easy to access and become dependent on it.
As far as I'm concerned France doesn't try to squash immigrants cultures. While that being a big issue in itself religious symbols being banned in public is far from blocking whole cultures |
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| LazFX |
FOX NEWS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, thats what I heard on Fox. While the other news media is trying to be all PC about it. Fox is calling it like it is. Ghetto-ized Islamic youts, using any excuse to tear up the . France with thier, "ONE FRENCH CULTURE B.S." is imploding. But instead of somne hindu, christian or other religion that is mostly made up with some sort of intelligence along with compasion, they are facing a culture that is easly led by IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED, WOMEN HATING, JIHAD YELLING men that still believe that Allah is god and some guy named mohamed is his only prophet.
I hate religion, religion is for the ignorant and dumb. Educate yourself. And relize that knowledge is the only way to better yourself. Not rioting, not living on welfare, not following some myth.
The only thing that might come out of this is some kind of war. Seriously think about it, whats going to happen, is France going to cave in to these people. And once all the ruffians are rounded up and carted off to jail are Moslems going to start screaming? Is france going to start to get bombed?? Is Cyrus King going to come into this thread and declare that this is all tied to Palastine??
Is this going to lead to a Christian Vs Islam War.
Probrobly.
and thank the gods; Allah, Jehova, Jesus, Zeus, Loki, Buddah, Ganesha and my self, that I live in America.
FROM THE MELTING POT straight to you.
Viva la Bush!!!!
AMERICA!! YEAH!!!!! |
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| malek |
nothing good is coming out of this.
A part of the population is threathenig to take their guns and settle this by themselves.
How do you call a part of a population fighting another part?? civil war. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
nothing good is coming out of this.
A part of the population is threathenig to take their guns and settle this by themselves.
How do you call a part of a population fighting another part?? civil war. |
House cleaning |
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