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france :seventh night of riots (pg. 4)
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Yeah, that's not a bad idea either. Anyway seems like today the muslim riots have spread to Germany and Belgium. I'm just wondering what exactly the organizers of riots want? It's not like they're being opressed or discriminated against. Besides, the "reason" that started the riots was rediculous. Two teenagers supposedly(!) died of electricution because police chased them. So in what? The police didn't force them to run and they certainly didn't throw them onto that electric fence. Seriously, if I was french, I'd be voting for Le Pen on the next election. |
Seems like we agree completely on this issue. I'm further questioning the motives and wisdom of the rioters when they target McDonald's, schools, and the metro. McDonald's is one of the few companies that hire people with only a minimum of requirements on language and appearance; schools represent a way out of misery for the kids; and the metro actually allows these people to go and hunt jobs outside of their own neighborhood. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Seems like we agree completely on this issue. I'm further questioning the motives and wisdom of the rioters when they target McDonald's, schools, and the metro. McDonald's is one of the few companies that hire people with only a minimum of requirements on language and appearance; schools represent a way out of misery for the kids; and the metro actually allows these people to go and hunt jobs outside of their own neighborhood. |
Very Well Put!!
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
FOX NEWS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Viva la Bush!!!!
AMERICA!! YEAH!!!!! |
Very badly put. ;) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I'm just wondering what exactly the organizers of riots want? It's not like they're being opressed or discriminated against. |
And how are you so sure of that? I'm not defending the rioters or their actions, but a huge group people don't get upset and riot for no good reason. And it doesn't make sense that a single event would be the sole reason for the riots. There probably was a fair amount of tension and discontentment to being with and the two teens being killed was probably the spark that set of this mayhem.
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Besides, the "reason" that started the riots was rediculous. Two teenagers supposedly(!) died of electricution because police chased them. |
I think you're smart enough to not believe everything you read. (I'm not saying the events didn't happen, but the media chooses how to report it. Perhaps their reporting was completely honest and objective, but do you really expect that from any media outlet?)
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
So in what? The police didn't force them to run and they certainly didn't throw them onto that electric fence. Seriously, if I was french, I'd be voting for Le Pen on the next election. |
Read above. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Very badly put. ;) |
I know :(
But couldn't resist. :) |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I think you're smart enough to not believe everything you read. (I'm not saying the events didn't happen, but the media chooses how to report it. Perhaps their reporting was completely honest and objective, but do you really expect that from any media outlet?)
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Then we should be smart enough to get our info from what?? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Then we should be smart enough to get our info from what?? |
I think you missed the point. That's wasn't the implication of my statement. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I think you missed the point. That's wasn't the implication of my statement. |
The bottom line is this is its BS to believe that these people are motivated by anything other than Anarchy. Are they looting stores to feed thier kids?? No they are burning them. They are doing this for just to do it. The thing that has alot of people worried is that these people come from a culture and religion that preaches hate and death to all others that are not like them.
They are not civilized. man, my people were held back, segregated, thought of as dogs and are still making strives to make our people better. Yeah we threw a couple of sit ins, boycots and and it changed things. This is not civil disobediance, this is a cancer that needs to be removed from France.
I always thought that America had the only free loading, blame the government for everything mentality. At least here when our poor get rowdy, they loot for food, beer and the occasional TV. ;)
There in France, there is something more to this . And people are just to damn scared to face it. |
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| h0tsweetbabyd0l |
our prime minister decided to apply the law from 1955 which has been used during the algeria's war which means mayors can decide to establish curfews have power to regulations on their town etc.....for at least 12 days beyond it will be the the legislator who wil have to make a law ....
in my own town riots happened last night too :(
these kids burn school because school represents education .a symbol they attacked a bus too .....enough !!!!!!!
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and please don't try to give to these people any excuses cuz they don't deserve any ...certainly they are poor and maybe discriminated but as we see most of these people are teens instead of burning cars and others delinquence acts why don't they study hard and try to achieve some goals?education is free in this country ....if u study and work hard yes u can succeed so yeah the fact is that they are lazy and prefer the easiest way to live on welfare and causing troubles because they are bored and yeah after that they blame our society ....bull instead of burning cars and attacking cops they should better go to school and do something better of their lives ! |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
FOX NEWS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, thats what I heard on Fox. While the other news media is trying to be all PC about it. Fox is calling it like it is. Ghetto-ized Islamic youts, using any excuse to tear up the . France with thier, "ONE FRENCH CULTURE B.S." is imploding. But instead of somne hindu, christian or other religion that is mostly made up with some sort of intelligence along with compasion, they are facing a culture that is easly led by IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED, WOMEN HATING, JIHAD YELLING men that still believe that Allah is god and some guy named mohamed is his only prophet.
Is this going to lead to a Christian Vs Islam War.
Probrobly.
Viva la Bush!!!!
AMERICA!! YEAH!!!!! |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
The bottom line is this is its BS to believe that these people are motivated by anything other than Anarchy. Are they looting stores to feed thier kids?? No they are burning them. They are doing this for just to do it. The thing that has alot of people worried is that these people come from a culture and religion that preaches hate and death to all others that are not like them.
They are not civilized....
....This is not civil disobediance, this is a cancer that needs to be removed from France.
...At least here when our poor get rowdy, they loot for food, beer and the occasional TV. ;)
There in France, there is something more to this . And people are just to damn scared to face it. |
@LazFX: This clearly demonstrates your ignorance and prejudice.
@Trancaholic, Drug_Tito and other regulars: Remember what you said earlier Drug_Tito?
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
It's not like they're being opressed or discriminated against. |
Clearly this is not the case. Obviously LazFX doesn't speak for everyone or even necessarily a majority, and neigther is he French, but the reason I'm brining this up is to highlight obvious anti-Muslim/anti-Arab prejudice/racism that is not uncommon in the West (ofcourse it also depends/varies on where you are and in which country). And this ignorance/prejudice is a result of media propoganda and the residue of anti-Mulism/anti-Arab sentiment which finds it's roots in the crusades and never entirely left the culture.
Trancaholic, also take notice of the Fox story you did research on and discovered how it was misleading. Well, that's not a coincinece.
I'm using 2 examples from this single thread to point anti-Muslim/anti-Arab propoganda in the media. Ofcourse I could always do more research and come up with numerous examples of deliberate disinformation and misrepresentation of a culture, people and religion. One reason why I bring this up is because I think it's relevant to this issue to a certain extent and better understanding why these people are flipping out. Now don't get he wrong impression that I'm trying to justify any kind of wrong doing on either side, but am simply providing more insight that you're not very likely to get from a non-Muslim.
For future reference, when I complain about prejudice/racism/intolrance (although I don't think I do it often or anything), it's not all in my head and is very real.
EDIT: Just to let you know, I'm not trying to point fingers and put all the blame on any one party/group here. No one is completely innocent or guilty. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Obviously LazFX doesn't speak for everyone or even necessarily a majority, and neigther is he French,
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Yeah you are right, I don't speak fir the majority. And u are wrong I am just a little french, My mothers grandmother was french, but I do not claim to be it. Why?? Because I am an American, I was raised with the history of my country that my grandparents immigrated to back in the 18th & 19th centuries. Due to my skin color though and the region of the states I live in, I am considered mexican by Ignorant people. Possibly like people I meet in dark clubs that see my skin color and automatically become ignorant and think I am Mexican and in no way possibly be french..... lol
Am I prejudice, I do not like close minded muslims, christians, jews, hindu's and any other religious nut job for that matter. Once thier religion interferes with my life or any others, then its on.
Directly @ shaolin
I met you before have I not??
And I was once like you, thinking that reading the latest book on the atrocities of our country some how made me more informed than everyone else. FREE TIBET was my war cry, kind of like your blatent support of militants and thugs that are muslim, if I was too say that they need to get rid of all of those thugs in France, I would be considered ignorant and racist by you, why?? Cause you have already this chip on your shoulder that if any one reports any bad press about arabs or muslims, there is another side to the issue that is not being disscussed truthfully by the media.
I was so full of knowledge about other things that seemed important in life. Learning about how the rest of the world was more civilized than America. Thinking that some guy on a message board that says things in a off handed way was ignorant. Calling him out saying that he was ignorant.....
Yeah I was just like you,,,,,, then I grew up and relized that "Everyman" was true.
EDIT: Just to let you know, I'm not trying to point fingers and put all the blame on any one party/group here. No one is completely innocent or guilty. ;) |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Trancaholic, also take notice of the Fox story you did research on and discovered how it was misleading. Well, that's not a coincinece.
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I know very well how FoxNews works, and what its agenda is. I don't consider it any more of a news media than The Colbert Report.
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Clearly this is not the case. Obviously LazFX doesn't speak for everyone or even necessarily a majority, and neigther is he French, but the reason I'm brining this up is to highlight obvious anti-Muslim/anti-Arab prejudice/racism that is not uncommon in the West (ofcourse it also depends/varies on where you are and in which country). And this ignorance/prejudice is a result of media propoganda and the residue of anti-Mulism/anti-Arab sentiment which finds it's roots in the crusades and never entirely left the culture.
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I'm using 2 examples from this single thread to point anti-Muslim/anti-Arab propoganda in the media. |
You pointed out two accounts on which LazFX was being racially biased, and then claimed that such prejudice is the result of media propaganda. I don't buy that last one. In Denmark we have plenty of racists but we have an extremely left-wing oriented press.
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Ofcourse I could always do more research and come up with numerous examples of deliberate disinformation and misrepresentation of a culture, people and religion. One reason why I bring this up is because I think it's relevant to this issue to a certain extent and better understanding why these people are flipping out. Now don't get he wrong impression that I'm trying to justify any kind of wrong doing on either side, but am simply providing more insight that you're not very likely to get from a non-Muslim. |
I think that you have misunderstood my position. Let me clarify in no-nonsense terms:
I consistently fail to sympathize with stupid people, no matter whether they choose to exhibit their stupidity by religous or secular means. Furthermore, I find downright destructive behaviour (and taking your anger out on innocents falls into this category) repulsive, and won't excuse it. To me these rioters fall below any kind of animal on the evolutionary scale, and I don't care what humilations they have suffered, religion they follow, their ancestry, or whether they actually have a reason for being upset. In a democracy with a free press there's tons of ways to broadcast your problems, and even more ways to try to aleviate them by seeking influence. Rioting like this is either an expression of extreme stupidity or arrogance. I don't know what I dislike the most.
If you read my posts from the last years, you'll see that I am very critical of any kind of fundamentalism/extremism/stupidity, no matter if it is carried out by or against muslims/jews/christians/atheists. |
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