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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Sorry Sean, but I'm not the one who starts up with the schoolyard tactics hurling around personal insults. Ever. Period. EOD. |
HAHHAHHAHA whatever diginut.
I remember when you called me a gas huffer when we were debating about the st clair transit improvement plan. I believe it was because I had said that you had no right to insult immigrants to toronto as virtually everyone to Canada is an immigrant here within in the past 200 years or so and you flipped and called me a gas huffer.
Sure you dont result to personal insults.
PS merry xmas
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| TheVrk |
Get this in Windsor @ Roots, which is one of my jobs:
"Is this price in US dollars?" :conf:
What?!?! Ya US prices IN Canada:rolleyes:
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| tonybologna |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
Since Diginut is such an expert on the U.S, I think he should live here for a year without his parents help. |
Shamen I see you are from Baltimore. Try putting someone (him) in Washington Village or Highlandtown and see if they make it out! Its really disgusting how some of our American cities- especially Baltimore since I think it has so much charm and potential- have been ruined by American policies and lack of funding. It's really quite embarrasing that we (I am from the U.S.) are the most powerful country in the world yet some of our cities are literally third world. I know Mayor O'Malley has been working on improvements but there is only so much a mayor can do. Mayor O'Malley came out publicly against Bush when he was passing bills through congress that cut finding to cities which resulted in a reduction in public services soon after 9-11, at a time when firefighters and police are at the forefront of fighting terrorism. I know this is a little off topic but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
PS The inner harbor and Fell's Point is very nice though. The block is a little :nervous: |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by tonybologna
Shamen I see you are from Baltimore. Try putting someone (him) in Washington Village or Highlandtown and see if they make it out! Its really disgusting how some of our American cities- especially Baltimore since I think it has so much charm and potential- have been ruined by American policies and lack of funding. It's really quite embarrasing that we (I am from the U.S.) are the most powerful country in the world yet some of our cities are literally third world. I know Mayor O'Malley has been working on improvements but there is only so much a mayor can do. Mayor O'Malley came out publicly against Bush when he was passing bills through congress that cut finding to cities which resulted in a reduction in public services soon after 9-11, at a time when firefighters and police are at the forefront of fighting terrorism. I know this is a little off topic but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
PS The inner harbor and Fell's Point is very nice though. The block is a little :nervous: |
I agree. I live just outside Baltimore, in Columbia, and just 2 years ago until I could afford to live in a good neighbourhood I lived in Langley Park, just outside DC. Based on what I seen there, it seems like the police just gave up, especially when theres an open air crack market on the corner. One big problem in Baltimore is witness intimidation, and it is very hard for police to get a conviction when no-one will testify, or when people do testify they get shot or their house gets burnt down. Recently the mayor ( who I think is doing a good job considering the mess he inherited ) decided to get hidden cameras installed on streets that are known for open air crack markets, and retired police watch the videos at home and report on any activity. I agree with that, I think this is a situation where safety comes before privacy, especially since the street is public property, and there is nothing to worry about if not doing anything wrong.
I still think that plan is inadequete, since
1) A certain minority group there thinks it's cool to be a thug, act uneducated, do crack, play with guns & rob people. The war on terrorism should begin at home.
2) Even though the jail is huge, it's not big enough. It is like a big revolving door. The police do their job well ( alot of them anyway ) and then the courts just let the criminals out, or the prosecution doesn't do a good enough job to keep criminals in jail.
3) The War on Drugs should exclude weed & ecstasy, and focus more heavily on drugs such as crystal, PCP,meth, heroin, & crack which are heavily associated with violent crime in
a) while the user while high
b) the user while robbing people to get their high
c) the dealers fighting over territory
d) the dealers when they kill customers who can't pay up due to their addiction or just won't pay up.
e) domestic violence that results from use of those drugs
4) I also think it's time for the African American community to take some ing responsibility, and raise their kids right, and clean up their own neighborhoods instead of expecting the police to do it all. Kids are hanging out on the street at 3 AM & stealing cars & getting high because their parents are too busy getting high on crack instead of doing their job, which is raising their kids. If people can't raise kids, they shouldn't have them. The DC Chief of police & Bill Cosby ( alot of people gave him hell for it ) even said it on a local radio talk show. Alot of neighbourhoods with beautiful architecture have gone to hell since the people that live there have no respect in themselves and really couldn't give a .
5) The camera network should be expanded & the hidden street cameras moved frequently by "fake " utility workers.
I also think that they should change the state & federal welfare systems:
1) High school graduation requirement for ALL social assistance, beginning in 12 months. At that time anyone that hasn't graduated high school or has a GED does not qualify.
2) Welfare mothers should be required to randomly submit hair samples for drug test. If they test positive for drugs they will be sentenced to clean garbage on the side of the highways for a month, or be in solitary confinement for a week while their children are in state run daycare. Any welfare mother that test positive for drugs twice will also have to be sterilized.
3) Anyone that test positive for drugs while admitted to the hospital for gun shot, is disqualified from state medical assistance, and have to pay the bill themselves. It is amazing that there are people in Baltimores hospitals that get shot while selling drugs, then collect State Medicaid, then go back to selling drugs.
4) Anyone that gets convicted for selling drugs, or gun charges will be permanently disqualified from any assistance for life, and will have to pay any life long social assistance back to the state.
5) As we see in Baltimore, I do think racial profiling is sometimes justified.
I personally believe that when someone collects money from the state, then they giveup some of their rights to the state. Welfare is a social safety net & not a privelege.
Also I think that anyone that doesn't finish high school shouldn't get driver licences, or be allowed to board aircraft.
I suspect if all those laws were implemented, that the crime rate in American Inner Cities would plummet over a few years. Unfortunately, I don't think many politicians of any political party have the guts to do it. |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No that would be called theocracy. Fascism is a political ideology calling for a corporatist economy, social welfare network, private property rights, societal rights over individual freedoms, and a strong central government. |
I think the Bush / Cheney administration is trying to blend fascism with theocracy, to try to get fool Christians into supporting them. Religion is being used as a club by both politicians, and moralists, all of them lusting for power & most of them frauds.
Democracy in the U.S. is being destroyed by "malefactors of great wealth" who are subverting our political institutions from within. Thomas Jefferson warned against allowing corperate powers to dominate the political landscape.
The "American Heritage Dictionary" defines fascism as a "system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically thru the merging of state & business leadership together with belligerent nationalism".
In the 1930s Germany & Italy reacted to the Great Depression with Industrialists forging unholy alliances with right wing radicals.
Benito Mussolini even complained "fascism should more appropriately be called corperatism because it is the merger of state & corporate power. At the same time the U.S. reaffirmed its democracy - enacting minimum wage & social security laws to foster a middle class & passing income tax & anti trust legislation to limit the power of corperations & the wealthy. Bush is now trying to undo all of that, and is allowing 1 million illegal immigrants into the country ( while he tries to pretend he's hard on immigration ) so he can have a permanent "lower class of chiep labor for many businesses, especially agricultural". |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
a) Yes, I have a clue.
c) Hurling personal insults does not make you any more right, it only serves to prove that you are ignorant and immature.
Why is it that the loony left always starts foaming at the mouth whenever somebody presents them with facts that don't support their personal beliefs? I never see those crazy "right-wing nuts" go ape whenever hippie liberals talk about welfare and health care.
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Didn't you just say that "Hurling insults does not make you any more right". Well may'be you should read the rest of your own post.
Also you never answered my question. Do you support a war that was planned by Dick Cheney & Bush before 911, when we should have been focused on Osama Bin Laden? Diginut: Do you think Canada should be in Iraq? |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by tonybologna
Its really disgusting how some of our American cities- especially Baltimore since I think it has so much charm and potential- have been ruined by American policies and lack of funding. It's really quite embarrasing that we (I am from the U.S.) are the most powerful country in the world yet some of our cities are literally third world. I know Mayor O'Malley has been working on improvements but there is only so much a mayor can do. Mayor O'Malley came out publicly against Bush when he was passing bills through congress that cut finding to cities which resulted in a reduction in public services soon after 9-11, at a time when firefighters and police are at the forefront of fighting terrorism. I know this is a little off topic but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
PS The inner harbor and Fell's Point is very nice though. The block is a little :nervous: |
I do think Baltimore has had some real success stories such as Inner Harbour, showing that it's leadership has been alot more progressive than Detroit's. And much of the Metro Area is really nice with beautiful homes & tree shaded streets, and in many places still safe. The diversity of people & cultural institutions & cuisine in the DC / Balt region is also such that I've seen in few other places, except for may'be Toronto, and that is a good thing about living here.
As for the U.S. Inner Cities, it seems that the Federal Government is deliberately ignoring the problem, and really doesn't care if the problems go away. New Orleans proved it. Thousands of people that lost their homes in New Orleans & coastal Mississippi are pissed that the Feds couldn't provide nearly enough temporary shelters so now they are living in tends during the winter, wondering why all the money is being spent on Iraq. I do think that some of my proposals for eliminating poverty & crime in the Inner Cities may offend some people, but the federal government's ignoring it, is disgraceful, and now the entire world has had a good media view of Inner City Poverty in the U.S., and alot of countries lost alot of respect for us.
I think the Federal government should instead of diverting money into private Christian schools, make sure Inner City youth who wan't a better life, can have a properly funded public school ( teachers here also make far less than Canada, making it more difficult to get good teachers ) with the same technology & facilities as suburban schools.
Some of the schools in DC & Baltimore I would be afraid to even go in for fear of being hit by falling chunks of concrete & plaster. They should also reinstate school lunch programs that were cut because no child can learn hungry. A more difficult problem to solve is how guetto culture glamorized by rap stars many youth look up to; has made problems worse, and discourage many people from trying to better themselves & leave the guetto.
As for Bushes policies on Terrorism, they don't make any sence at all. How can the U.S. be safe when 1 million illegal immigrants cross the U.S. border from Mexico yearly. Any Muslim extremist can sneak in with them; and their more worried about taking scissors away from people at airports. It is all a show, to make people feel protected & safe. Also as for police funding being cut, I am more worried about terrorists on the street than the much smaller but still real chance of some muslim extremist. The Inner Cities will never improve until people feel safe living there. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Aaron, I have to correct you on this one. The Nazi Party was a modified Fascist party. While fascism does have many of the same trappings of socializm, particularly with regard to social welfare networks, it is very different in many ways. Fascism not only allows for but encourages private property rights. Rather then a command economy fascism employes a Corporatist economy that makes the state a stakeholder in industry along with labour and capital owners.... the economic policies are not dictated but rather they are negotiated and insentives are used rather then legislation to direct business (the current EU economic structure is very similar to this). Perhaps the most telling trapping of Corporatism (which is essential to fascism) being opposed to socialism is that unions are outlawed. Rather then private unions all unions are controled through a government ministry. Clearly socialism and fascism are not the same thing therefore the Nazis were not socialists.
Following the first great war Hitler was assigned to investigate socialist groups by the military. The actual goal was to collect information so the military could subvert them. During his investigations he stumbled upon the German Workers Party, which was believed to be a socialist party due to its name but was in fact a very right winged party with all the trappings of the Facista Party in Italy. Hitler fell in love with their ideological standpoints, particularly the nationalism, and ended up joining and eventually taking over the party. As they grew they realized that many who liked the social welfare part of socialism but not the economic policies were drawn to their party. They changed the name to the National Socialists in order to confuse socialists and draw them to their rallies hoping to convert them.
While their name suggests a socialist party they most certainly were not. IN FACT violance between Nazis and socialists was common place and the brown shirts were set up specifically to disrupt socialists that attempted to subvert Nazi Party rallies. If you read Mein Kampf you will note that Hitler identifies communism and socialism as the greatest evils facing European society and espouses that both must be destroyed.
Sorry Aaron, I usually enjoy your posts as they are often well thought out and usually based in fact but on this point you are way off and as a political scientist I cannot allow ideologies to be confused. |
Sorry, but Hitler was in fact a socialist.
What you describe above is state control of the economy. It was different from other forms of socialism and from pure communism, but it was socialist nonetheless. Hitler combined state control of the economy with nationalism, hence National Socialism.
It's no coincidence that Mussolini was a member of a socialist party.
http://geocities.com/jonjayray/musso.html
Selections from the Nazi Party program:
| quote: | Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.
13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.
14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. |
More information here:
http://jonjayray.netfirms.com/hitler.html
http://www.mises.org/multimedia/vid...s05-Reisman.wmv
http://www.mises.org/multimedia/vid.../ss05-Hoppe.wmv
http://www.mises.org/etexts/mises/og.asp
http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000400.html
Actually, modern Canada is more fascist by your definition than was Nazi Germany. On the economic side there are government subsidies to the auto makers, the film industry, Bombardier, etc. On the political side, Canada is not a democratic country (almost no free votes in Parliament, appointed Governor General, appointed Supreme Court, appointed lower courts, appointed Senate, state controlled media, large monopolies, etc.). |
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| Porky |
i used to work in chicago for 4 years and everytime i made a mistake my co-workers would say 'blame canadia'
not canada, but canadia! agggh!
toronto has been good to me
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Sorry, but Hitler was in fact a socialist.
What you describe above is state control of the economy. It was different from other forms of socialism and from pure communism, but it was socialist nonetheless. Hitler combined state control of the economy with nationalism, hence National Socialism.
It's no coincidence that Mussolini was a member of a socialist party.
http://geocities.com/jonjayray/musso.html
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Sorry SW, but you're very very wrong. I know that you state this simply because you seek to deamonize the left but really man making arguments that Fascism and socializm are one in the same or that the Nazi or Fascisti parties were socizalist parties only shows you are completely ignorant with regard to political ideologies. I've studied ideologies in depth as part of my undergrad degree in political science. My minor was military history focused almost exclusively on the Second World War. I even took 2 full credit courses focusing exclusively on fascism. I know fascism. Hell, I identify myself as a fascist. Believe me fascism and socializm are not one in the same. Those with limited understanding of them often confuse them because of their social welfare systems, however, even a brief read of Nitzsche, Sorel, Bergson, Gentile, Hitler and Mussolini shows a great deal of contempt and distain for socialism.
I absolutely love how you believe that you actually understand that which you speak of because you're able to pull some supporting evidence from the web while completely disregarding anything that does not support your position. You trully are the worst kind of idiot... one with a tiny nugget of information that you believe vindicates all which you believe. I would love to discuss all of this further with you, however, I understand your manner of thinking well enough to know that you will never accept that you are wrong nor will you lend any creadence to any facts that are in opposition to what you believe, subsequently, I shall not waste my time on you. Aaron, on the otherhand I believe there is hope for as I believe he has some measure of objectivity. Aaron, if you're reading this I encourage you to do some reading of the philosophers I've mentioned above or PM me to discuss this as I can certainly shed some additional light on this for you. |
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