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WMC/UMF or Global Gathering? (pg. 4)
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| GG2006 |
Well, as you know, Track Entertainment (major partner in the Global Gathering USA festival) owns cooljunkie, clubplanet, wantickets, nochelatino, dallasdancemusic, and several other entertainment properties. While it may not be fair as such, I can understand the logic behind such a move.
Nonetheless, you're right, the politics should be left out of it. We're here to throw a festival, have a good time, and yeah, go home at night with a few bucks in our pockets for ourselves and in some cases our families. I'm a confirmed bachelor but I can understand having to put food on the table :)
Whatever your festival choice (or not choosing a big festival at all), I hope everyone enjoys their time here in Miami during March. If you go to GG, holler out and maybe I'll holler back. |
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| fupaking |
| quote: | Originally posted by GG2006
Sellout? OK sure, if that's what you want to think. I've encountered that term before. You gotta try a lot harder to make me cry.
Instant profit? Sign me up for that festival!
Anyway, the festival is close to the dates of the traditional conference. It isn't the week before. Our festival is on the 18th, and the traditional conference begins on the 22nd. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday ...
That being said, several enterprising venues are scheduling parties early, starting on Monday the 20th of March. What this is in addition to a festival is a way of extending the days of parties and so forth during the month of March.
Think about it. The biggest complaint about the traditional days is that there's so much going on and not enough time to hit it all...now there will be time. It'll take a few seasons to sink in, but in the end expect to be coming to Miami for a bit longer than 4 days.
And yes, our artists are exclusive to our festival. So are Ultra's. You sign with them, you can't play for us, and vice versa. Wasn't our idea.
Like it or not, there are business concerns when this time of the year rolls around.
What amazes me at this point is we've supposedly got a community here that espouses being open-minded and accepting of new ideas. But some of these responses make me wonder. Oddly enough, the people I expected to be rabidly against this festival (the rock music kids) are totally into it and are even talking about (gasp! oh no!) checking out the other tents and stages while they are there. Yes, there will undoubtedly be a black-clad NIN fan dancing next to you. Good for him I say.
Though if you all really want me to I'll establish seperate bathroom facilities and water fountains for the rock music fans. Seperate but equal, right? |
I am going to say this, and I think it speaks for the majority of everyone outside of the Florida area, making the trip to WMC. First of all, I would love to go to GG. My old school days are rooted in rock, and I would live to catch NIN, some other bands, in addition to Armin, Ferry,etc...but the problem is that most of us don't have the money, time (we have jobs), or patience to spend a week and a half in SOBE. If I was to make for GG, then I really feel I'd be twiddling my thumbs for a few days until things really kick into gear on the 22nd, when most of the big parties start. Also a week and a half of clubbing is just too much, both interms of exhaustion and money spent (not to mention how jacked up the prices get in terms of lodging, meals, drinks, WATER, etc...) Kudos to anyone who is able to to a whole week and a half, I'm jealous, but in a way I'm not. That being said, if GG had been on Friday or Sunday the weekend of WMC, that would have awesome, but I think Ultra will have more attendance, maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's timing. But who knows what next year will hold? |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by fupaking
I am going to say this, and I think it speaks for the majority of everyone outside of the Florida area, making the trip to WMC. First of all, I would love to go to GG. My old school days are rooted in rock, and I would live to catch NIN, some other bands, in addition to Armin, Ferry,etc...but the problem is that most of us don't have the money, time (we have jobs), or patience to spend a week and a half in SOBE. If I was to make for GG, then I really feel I'd be twiddling my thumbs for a few days until things really kick into gear on the 22nd, when most of the big parties start. Also a week and a half of clubbing is just too much, both interms of exhaustion and money spent (not to mention how jacked up the prices get in terms of lodging, meals, drinks, WATER, etc...) Kudos to anyone who is able to to a whole week and a half, I'm jealous, but in a way I'm not. That being said, if GG had been on Friday or Sunday the weekend of WMC, that would have awesome, but I think Ultra will have more attendance, maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's timing. But who knows what next year will hold? |
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Exactly how I feel. Sasha & Diggers being on the bill for GG AFTER I'd already booked my trip for WMC was like a massive kick in the ing balls... :( |
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| r2d2juarez |
| quote: | Originally posted by fupaking
I am going to say this, and I think it speaks for the majority of everyone outside of the Florida area, making the trip to WMC. First of all, I would love to go to GG. My old school days are rooted in rock, and I would live to catch NIN, some other bands, in addition to Armin, Ferry,etc...but the problem is that most of us don't have the money, time (we have jobs), or patience to spend a week and a half in SOBE. If I was to make for GG, then I really feel I'd be twiddling my thumbs for a few days until things really kick into gear on the 22nd, when most of the big parties start. Also a week and a half of clubbing is just too much, both interms of exhaustion and money spent (not to mention how jacked up the prices get in terms of lodging, meals, drinks, WATER, etc...) Kudos to anyone who is able to to a whole week and a half, I'm jealous, but in a way I'm not. That being said, if GG had been on Friday or Sunday the weekend of WMC, that would have awesome, but I think Ultra will have more attendance, maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's timing. But who knows what next year will hold? |
If you think "Also a week and a half of clubbing is just too much" then NEVER go to Ibiza.
We go to festivals to have fun, festivals are made for people to have fun; why are u mad because they are trying to make more people have fun and enjoy MUSIC?
i've been to last 3 ultra's and seen that it's being going down .....global gathering in the other hand, is just expanding from London to America ..... I know armin, ferry, sasha and digweed will be A LOT BETTER THAN ANY TENT/STAGE at ultra ... then c'mon Oakenfold w/ orchestra ... that's ridiculious.... really.
i will attend both and if I have more fun at ultra i will post it .....
c u there |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by r2d2juarez
If you think "Also a week and a half of clubbing is just too much" then NEVER go to Ibiza.
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Yeah well, maybe some of us can't AFFORD a week and a halfs worth of partying in South beach or Ibiza...
I personally loved my DAYS (2) on Ibiza... |
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| fupaking |
| same here, 3 days in Ibiza was perfect. If I could afford a week and a half, I would rather be in Ibiza than SOBE hands down! |
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| philippe |
Reading all the previous posts, it sounds to me like the people bashing GG are just doing so out of frustration of having made plans too early to attend it or being unable to afford it money and time wise. Some of them even say that they would want to attend that event if it were held at a different date.
So it seems that the only issue is one of scheduling. I can share in the disappointment on that front (see below), but it's quite a jump to say that it's not worth holding the event even for all the people who CAN afford to go.
If anything, shouldn't we all be glad that the festivities are expanding and being stretched out rather than being even more packed into 4 days?
That said, I don't plan to go to GG (and definitely not to UMF!) only because I don't know what I could possibly do on Monday and Tuesday, and I should be able to catch the only 2 artists announced so far that I would want to see at WMC parties instead, which hopefully means a more "intimate" setting (don't like massives).
Which brings up this question for GG2006: Any more trance DJs still to be added to the lineup? Some names could make me change my mind and go... if I get them in the next couple of days.
Thanks :) |
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| Shafer8 |
Well from what saw happen this year and from all the people stating ruomrs about how the GG wil not happen or none of the artists would ever play it due to loyalty to previuos relationships it seemed to shape up quite well if you ask me. For comming out of the gate late, going up against a festival that is many years old, and the rest of the entire music confrence to actually get the artists on the bill is actually quit impressive and there mst be serious logic and alot of hard work that went into this.
This is the first year for a GG in Miami and I can only assume what the line up will be next year, then the year after, then in 5 years, then who knows maybe in 10. The fact of the doing it on the last day of spring break is smart if you ask me as it taps into the younger community and hopefully trys to educated the youth to keep this mouvement going forward. It also seems kinda smart to be as hopefully you can tap into all 3 markets to try and get as many people as you can to come to build something that will last many many years to come (The spring breakers, the locals and getting people to come down early from the WMC).
Plus I am almost postive that when you get an amalgomation of companies like Track, Space and Angel Music Group, I can bet that they did their home work and have a very lenghty plan that will be in place for a very long time. Rome was not built in a day and neither was the first GG out in the UK. It may have been a big under dog actually from what I recall but look at it 6 years later. Who knows maybe this could actually turn into something good for the whole scene and extend the WCM for 10 days each year and actually help something we all belive in and love so much. Shouldnt we be happy there is now more rather than less or is this a classic case of not being happy no matter what?
See you guys at the GG with a beer in my hand! |
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| Shafer8 |
| quote: | | my apologies everybody...when i posted my comment i had completely forgotten about the rock stage... when i wrote the comment in my mind there was no rock stage cuz i completely forgot...stupid me!!! GG is a bad idea now thinking about it...especially the week before....GG should be done in like july...in between bang and UMF...my plans are now to attend UMF and see every dj that is playing at GG, during the WMC parties |
This guys has a brain, do it in mid july when it is 140 degrees out side and you can't breath and people die weekly from heat stroke. Yeah lets go to a party wheer there is 30,000 people and dance all day long.
Anyway some people will be happy some people won't be, that is life. Next year I am sure alot will be differnt as everyone including from the entire WMC to all the attendess have now 13 good solid months to plan for next year. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by philippe
If anything, shouldn't we all be glad that the festivities are expanding and being stretched out rather than being even more packed into 4 days?
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No, we shouldn't.
A. The 18th is just far enough away from the main festival to make it inconvenient for working professionals who are traveling to miss an extra half a week and still get to enjoy the conference they love so much.
B. It also makes it INCREDIBLY hard for college students who have limited money that they've saved for months to come down to WMC to expand their itinerary. A week in South Beach is already enough to break the bank for a lot of us, adding a few extra days, especially where there WILL no doubt be a gap between GG and festivities in South Beach really kicking off, would easily destroy many travelers budgets.
Essentially it should either have been closer to the conference or further away, one or the other, but it's proximity in time to UMF and WMC is without doubt an issue.
| quote: | Originally posted by Shafer8
This guys has a brain, do it in mid july when it is 140 degrees out side and you can't breath and people die weekly from heat stroke. Yeah lets go to a party wheer there is 30,000 people and dance all day long.
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Let's see...
- Bonnaroo
- 10kLF
- GGUK
- Glastonbury Festival
- High Sierra
- Burning Man
- Coachella
etc.
All festivals (With attendance FAR higher than 30,000) that take place IN THE SUMMER! Many in July... It's not that difficult to stay hydrated and enjoy a good midsummers outdoor festival, something I'd MUCH rather have with GG than having it 4 days before WMC. You might want to try thinking before you type next time.
And one question: Where in the name of God do you live that it's 140 degrees in the summer time? It certainly doesn't get that warm in Miami... |
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| Shafer8 |
thank you for the inof DJ RT
With the humidity it may as well be 150. I have been there many many times in the summer as it ing sucks ass! You can't breath, your constantly soaking wet and yes people do die. If you alos have notcied that during the summer the rates for everything invloved with Miami drop because nobody likes to go because of the heat. Summer in Miami is not the best time to try and get peolpe from all aorund the world to come to a party especially since you have the rest of the world and ibiza thowing huge festival weekly. What DJ will want to come to Miami in the summer and play instead of playing things like GG UK, Mystrey Land, Sensation, Dance Valley, SOMA, Fsuion, Nature One, Fort Dance, Sonar, Creamfields, Exit Festival, 10 Days Off, and all summer at Ibiza. There is way to many alreayd establish things bidding on Saturdays in Summer on a global basis.
As far as the great list you so much have shown us lets see,
Coachella Easter week end April and California not Miami
Bonnaroo June 12th and its Tennesse not Miami
GG UK where it is about 90 degrees maybe 100 still not Miami
Glastonbury Festival last week end in June still again not july in Miami
At the end of the day there will be people happy and people mad and with due time and enough planning maybe next year things will be better. For everyone person that is mad about the GG being 7 days before Ultra I am sure there is 1 person that is happy. Maybe next year thing will be a little easier for everyone.
Either way ALL of WMC will rock as it is probabbly one of the most sought out times for all of us USA people to dedicate to the world of dance music! |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shafer8
Coachella Easter week end April and California not Miami (California doesn't get hot, even in Spring?)
Bonnaroo June 12th and its Tennesse not Miami (104-106, the whole festival in 2004)
GG UK where it is about 90 degrees maybe 100 still not Miami (And so 100 in Miami is different than 100 in the UK?)
Glastonbury Festival last week end in June still again not july in Miami (And so it's not/can't be hot in June either?)
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Also, FYI dates for those events change year to year... And anyone who's been in Tennesee for Bonnaroo will tell you it can be as bad in Manchester as it is in Miami, or far worse, on any given day...
Clearly you're trying too hard to make this work [edit: I mean you're trying to make your argument FOR GG work for me, when clearly your context for interpretation is different from mine.], and I won't even begin to address the flaws I see in your apparent "DJ's will play anywhere other than Miami in the summer" theory... Agree to disagree at this point. |
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