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WMC/UMF or Global Gathering? (pg. 5)
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| TranceMiami |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shafer8
Well from what saw happen this year and from all the people stating ruomrs about how the GG wil not happen or none of the artists would ever play it due to loyalty to previuos relationships it seemed to shape up quite well if you ask me. For comming out of the gate late, going up against a festival that is many years old, and the rest of the entire music confrence to actually get the artists on the bill is actually quit impressive and there mst be serious logic and alot of hard work that went into this.
This is the first year for a GG in Miami and I can only assume what the line up will be next year, then the year after, then in 5 years, then who knows maybe in 10. The fact of the doing it on the last day of spring break is smart if you ask me as it taps into the younger community and hopefully trys to educated the youth to keep this mouvement going forward. It also seems kinda smart to be as hopefully you can tap into all 3 markets to try and get as many people as you can to come to build something that will last many many years to come (The spring breakers, the locals and getting people to come down early from the WMC).
Plus I am almost postive that when you get an amalgomation of companies like Track, Space and Angel Music Group, I can bet that they did their home work and have a very lenghty plan that will be in place for a very long time. Rome was not built in a day and neither was the first GG out in the UK. |
With these three shady organizations working together you can bet global wont be back in Miami next year after the hit they are going to take this year! They will all try and rip each other off and it is going to get really ugly inside the belly of the snake!!! |
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| LiquidX |
Alright I will lay some straight facts here. It all goes back to some time ago.
Last year, some of you or may not remember that Lous Puig(Space owner)tried to pull out some type of festival that would go parallel to Ultra. THe idea was for the DJ's to play longer sets and such. It was so disputed and criticized for that fact the DJ's asked to play on that festival, werent allowed to play at Ultra. Alrights.. so this little thing that Space had going was all under the name of MIAMI MUSIC CONFERENCE. The idea for it was to extend the days for party's. Its said that Louis Puig tried to have some type of a deal with the WMC/Ultra organizers but no deal was ever reached, forcing ( to say the least ) Louis Puig to sort of create he's own festivities, party's and festivals that would Parallel WMC, have nothing to do with WMC party's and organizations. Thats the reason WHY you will see on the Space Flyer's or any party coming from Space named MIAMI MUSIC CONFERENCE instead of WMC.
- Now. Ive also heard that Global Gatherings festivals has no alliniation to that idea of Louis Puig, he's just a contributor and part of the festival going. Its got NO alliniation to MIAMI MUSIC CONFERENCE as it doesnt say anything about it on its flyers or sites. What I do think is that since Louis Puig couldnt do the one festival he tried to do last year, he got involved with the GG idea bringing along with him all the hook ups he's got in the local area.
Now lets talk Summer facts. Summer in Miami its just plain humid and hot. The best time honestly to ever hang out in Miami is Winter and Spring. Summer you got all the Hurricanes and Tropical storms, they screw the calenders for any given event. It screwed last years MTV Video Music Awards, and Tiestos In Concert. Its a lot of risk... besides the daily thunderstorms. Nobody ever comes here. Spring Brake its the best time of the year. I understand the frustation of outsiders, but its also understandable from a business eyes view.
Here's a pieace of an article regarding this Spacefest from last year.
| quote: | Other dustups have blown up -- and out -- on the street. Earlier this year, Louis Puig, owner of Space, downtown Miami's cavernous superclub, seemingly spontaneously picked a fight with Ultra. (Space and Ultra have a connection via Omes, who was once the music director at Puig's place before moving to crobar.) In November, Puig sent out a series of widely circulated e-mails claiming that he would start his own rival festival, Spacefest, and steal away Paul Van Dyk, Tisto, and other top DJs with exclusive contracts, which would prevent them from playing at Ultra. But Spacefest never came to fruition. (Puig could not be reached for comment.)
Faibisch is gracious about the controversy -- to a point. "There is no rivalry between Space and Ultra. We are a music festival. They are a nightclub. There is really nothing more to it than that," he says, adding, "As you see, there is only one music festival occurring during WMC." |
http://miaminewtimes.com/Issues/200...sic/wmc8_3.html
SO yea.. there it is. Sad part of all this, it appears to me that Louis Puig its competeing against WMC and create he's own type of hype. THe MMC. So it could be seen as purposedly done. |
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| Shafer8 |
| quote: | | Clearly you're trying too hard to make this work [edit: I mean you're trying to make your argument FOR GG work for me, when clearly your context for interpretation is different from mine.], and I won't even begin to address the flaws I see in your apparent "DJ's will play anywhere other than Miami in the summer" theory... Agree to disagree at this point. |
If you want to sit here all day and be pedantic and whine about things go ahead, but at least get the facts straight. Maybe since you seem to know everything why do you do put together a concept for summer in Miami. Bottom line Miami in the summer sucks, way too hot, it rains, and it is un bearable. Maybe is the beach would allow somehting it would be cool but being in a park off shore in 100 degree weather that with the humidity seems like 150 plain sucks ass.
And yes to my theory it does manke sense as most places in the USA are deprived of top notch talent due to alot of better things that are offered to DJs around the world. Ask anyone that actually knows. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shafer8
If you want to sit here all day and be pedantic and whine about things go ahead, but at least get the facts straight. Maybe since you seem to know everything why do you do put together a concept for summer in Miami. Bottom line Miami in the summer sucks, way too hot, it rains, and it is un bearable. Maybe is the beach would allow somehting it would be cool but being in a park off shore in 100 degree weather that with the humidity seems like 150 plain sucks ass.
And yes to my theory it does manke sense as most places in the USA are deprived of top notch talent due to alot of better things that are offered to DJs around the world. Ask anyone that actually knows. |
So you're saying the event would HAVE to be in Miami then?
Hell m8, I tried to be civil and tell you I'd agree to disagree but now you've decided to go and make a piss about it for no apparent reason... Way to go bro - You're a class act!
Feel free to re-read my post and try to focus on where I mentioned context, it's narrow minded TA's like you who fail to see any other interpretation of reality other than your own blinded perspective and who have an exceptional inability to take part in a civil debate over the pro's and con's of an issue that really ruin this place...
Edit: And for the record, I saw some pretty amazing talent this past Summer in the U.S... And pretty regularly too... So maybe YOU should get your facts straight... |
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| MeLLyMeL |
woah! i dunno what this whole thread is about i just read the last 2-3 posts...
and in the end....
21 years of experience is by far greater than just 1 year. Good luck to u GG/MMC.. the first year can be pretty harsh.
and about doing GG in the summer time.... [even though it's not gonna happen].. most of the dj's are off in Ibiza anyways and the weather in the summer time can be crucial. i can show you pictures of me Ultra 3, 4 , and 5... and you can see how rosy/red my face gets by the end of the night. That's just MARCH weather.
so to answer the first guys question... WMC + UMF = FTW... |
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| Shafer8 |
Ok bud, you are right and I am wrong, either way I feel that it does the scene good to make it longer and give people even more options to hear good music in a great town.
I will be at both GG and Ultra as they both have a nice melee of acts. Looking forward hearing alot of new music as well. |
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| Ludikruz |
ur not getting the concept of what the competing festivals is going to cause
for someone that appreciates and values the music community, i cant see competing festivals in an already depleted scene helping anyone. People travel from all over the country (and world) to go to ultra and the wmc.. year in and year out.. now they are faced with a competing festival that is taking significant dj acts from ultra..
you know a party is what you make of it and im sure the people will make the festivals great, but we dont need an enviroment where djs are being seperated between festivals.. its just another reflection of the money factor which is obvios.. and yes you can comment on a free market all you want, but the party is not about business concepts its about the vibe and the life and i still appreciate that.. not all of us live by the almighty dollar
anyway.. i wont say anymore.. goodluck to everyone and have fun this year |
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| r2d2juarez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ludikruz
ur not getting the concept of what the competing festivals is going to cause
for someone that appreciates and values the music community, i cant see competing festivals in an already depleted scene helping anyone. People travel from all over the country (and world) to go to ultra and the wmc.. year in and year out.. now they are faced with a competing festival that is taking significant dj acts from ultra..
you know a party is what you make of it and im sure the people will make the festivals great, but we dont need an enviroment where djs are being seperated between festivals.. its just another reflection of the money factor which is obvios.. and yes you can comment on a free market all you want, but the party is not about business concepts its about the vibe and the life and i still appreciate that.. not all of us live by the almighty dollar
anyway.. i wont say anymore.. goodluck to everyone and have fun this year |
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| Chuckie69 |
| quote: | Originally posted by r2d2juarez
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This will be my first trip to Miami, WMC, and Ultra all at the same time. GG was only a rumor two months ago when I made my plane/hotel reservations, and the artist lineup (so far) isn't spectacular enough to get me to change anything. Speaking of which, why did Global Gathering wait so long to announce itself to the public, knowing full well that it would be competing with Ultra for the "Miami in springtime" crowd? To me, Global Gathering may be a poorly-marketed attempt to play off of GG's reputation overseas.
I like some of the bands on the lineup like NIN and Zombie, but I'm not going to Miami to get into a mosh pit. To me, the laid-back, fun-loving vibe of the electronic music community (and UMF) is the perfect match for a vacation in Miami.
I don't know the reason behind why Global Gathering was planned the weekend before Ultra, nor do I understand why an artist would be required to only play one and not the other. To me it stinks, and the end result will not be greater than the sum of it's parts.
Just my $.02 |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by r2d2juarez
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| GG2006 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chuckie69
I don't know the reason behind why Global Gathering was planned the weekend before Ultra, nor do I understand why an artist would be required to only play one and not the other.
Just my $.02 |
OK catch-up time :)
- Ultra has exclusivity clauses in their contracts for all their major artists.
For example, PvD cannot play our festival, no matter how much money we throw at him, as Ultra could bleed him dry for breach of contract.
Conversely, Sasha and John could not play Ultra no matter how much money they threw at them for the same reasons.
- Bookings are still happening as of this day. There are many more artists of all genres waiting in the wings.
- I could be here all day telling you guys what our organization had to go through to get Bicentennial Park. Let's just put it this way, there were some highly dubious manoeuvres by other parties to block off both Bicentennial and Bayfront for the entire month of March.
- Other festivals take place in the summer, yes, but a summer in California/Oregon/Colorado/etc. is nothing compared to a summer here. Locals will know that.
- Again, both us and Ultra are business entities first and foremost, and if the tables were turned, you can bet that Ultra or some other body would make an attempt to start another festival. It's called living in a free market society.
- Real life is full of decisions. One of those will be what your festival plans are in the month of March.
- Space is a full-fledged partner in this.
- Enjoy that beer!
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by GG2006
- Other festivals take place in the summer, yes, but a summer in California/Oregon/Colorado/etc. is nothing compared to a summer here. Locals will know that.
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Please stop playing this card... The logic behind it is quite poor.
Your other points are all fine and well, but you miss the point that it's the timing of GG that most people are taking issue with, not necessarily the lineup etc.
And for the record, exclusivity issues just extend between Ultra and GG, correct? Essentially meaning opportunities to see artists on either bill at other points in the week at clubs/other parties is still a possibility, or no? |
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