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Tiesto Bashers (pg. 7)
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RTP
What he has done in the past does NOT CLASSIFY ANYTHING he's doing now! |
BINGO!!
Well said!! |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
I wanted to add that this is the best Tiesto thread I've seen on here in awhile. lol Cheers to all parties. |
I can't believe I missed this thread! I was right beside Chris (MichaelBoogerd) for years in the forums, and now to read the first intelligent Tiësto thread I've ever seen on TA... This is awesome :crazy: |
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| torontotrance |
Tiesto just does not have the passion anymore. Hell I've seen him twice and Lawler twice and the biggest difference besides the music genre is that you always see Lawler checking the soundsystem, drinking beers at the bar with clubbers and playing till they eventually kick his ass off. Lawler is passionate and Tiesto has lost that, I do remember that Tiesto's 2001 Oct set was one of the greatest that I've ever been to.
Tiesto just does'nt have that passion but he's not alone, throw Armin, PvD, Ferry among others into that group. That's what is wrong with music today, producers don't have passion, the old music may not have been the greatest production wise but they threw all they had into it. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| For those at the top, DJing is a job, NOT a hobby. No matter what they say, it boils down to making money, and Tijs has done that well. He's enjoying the popularity while it lasts and why not? He's worked hard to get there, let him have all the fan adoration he can get. He's not a crap DJ, he's not amazing either. I liked TIC 2 DVD alot. There was everything a DJ should be, good mixing, setlist and interaction with audience. Speaking from a musical point of view, Tijs sets have direction and are fluent. I won't not listen to a DJ simply because he's 'sold out' and doesn't play unknown tracks anymore. |
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| ivanbee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
Well I watched that show from the side, and I thought it was one of the worst DJ sets I had ever heard. What was supposed to be "6 hours extended set" was tijs pulling off maybe 3 good transitions, 4 horrible ones, and then a 15 minute break after every 45 minutes of straight DJing. The track selection was all right, but I didnt hear anything really interesting, mostly the normal , although he did play The Drill - The Drill, but thats nothing exciting really.
The production was cool, and the atmosphere was crazy, but it was really mostly hype. Also the number of EDM n00bs rolling off their face and just eating up any of the he spun was disconcerting to say the least... |
like i said, he's not the best dj in the world. but i gotta give him credit for knowing what songs to play at the right time. and he didnt trainwreck THAT BAD did he? maybe i was just really ed up. regardless, i thought it was a great set.
the drill - the drill :whip: |
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| EvilTree |
Tiesto needs to grow some balls. He's letting pressure control him, instead of other way around. If he's that popular, why isn't he influencing the change? It's not like he's lacking for money.
If he wants to play some tunes by an unknown but talented producer, fine. Promote that producer's stuff. Don't be a and let top40 clubbers dictate his tracklist.
If he feels that he should play his overplayed productions, why not play some of the remixes? Did he ever play Max Walder or Montana edit of Traffic? Not that I recall. Mark Norman remix of Love Comes Again? Phynn remix of Adagio for Strings?
If he still loves the music, well, he'd learn to not let it go down the crappers.
Mind you, after that Heineken hall set, he seems to be trying to change (or is that due to PvD taking over?) but FFS. Grow some balls. |
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| KeSs |
To whom ever asked, I got into the whole EDM scene back in 2001.
I totally understand what everyone is saying. I can see why some people hate him. You have a right too. You also have a right to love the guy. This however, is not the point of the thread. Tiesto is owned right now. When you have gotten as big as he has and you have your own concert series going around. Do you really think his management is cool with him playing none of his major productions? Honestly, I think a lot of what Tiesto plays is out of his control. I dont know many people into the EDM scene here in Pittsburgh (cause there really isnt one). Yet, I know that Tiesto is a good DJ to let my friends listen too because his stuff is so commercial and mainstream. Because of this, the majority of the audience will be pissed if he doesnt throw down some of his major productions. Someone on here already mentioned that the crowd seemed bored with the not-so-commercial tracks he was playing. He has to make money, he is under pressure by a lot of people to perform and make money. At a Tiesto concert, the MAJORITY of the people there will not be as familiar with Trance as we all are. Therefore, for those that have been in the scene for a long time.....i can understand why you dont like him anymore. I can also understand why you are annoyed with people who think Tiesto is God. But to be blunt about it, how can you not understand the position that the man has been put in? The reason several other DJ's on here are liked are because they aren't as big. There isnt as much pressure on them to make money. They have more freedom. My point is this, I am just sick of people bashing the guy when personally I think the he is playing is outside of his control. And I have noticed a trend that a lot of people feel the need to bash Tiesto in order to "fit-in" on this message board and other message board. Who gives a damn?
And to whoever tried to make it sounds like I didnt know about PVD. Yes, I am well aware that he blew up in 2005. |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Tiesto needs to grow some balls. He's letting pressure control him, instead of other way around. If he's that popular, why isn't he influencing the change? It's not like he's lacking for money.
If he wants to play some tunes by an unknown but talented producer, fine. Promote that producer's stuff. Don't be a and let top40 clubbers dictate his tracklist.
If he feels that he should play his overplayed productions, why not play some of the remixes? Did he ever play Max Walder or Montana edit of Traffic? Not that I recall. Mark Norman remix of Love Comes Again? Phynn remix of Adagio for Strings?
If he still loves the music, well, he'd learn to not let it go down the crappers.
Mind you, after that Heineken hall set, he seems to be trying to change (or is that due to PvD taking over?) but FFS. Grow some balls. |
I agree with you, but yes, he played all of those remixes, multiple times |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
If he wants to play some tunes by an unknown but talented producer, fine. Promote that producer's stuff. Don't be a and let top40 clubbers dictate his tracklist. |
Thats kind of missing the point there.
He's a top DJ - he gets handed new all the time, i agree he is guilty on accounts of sticking to a bunch of producers that he knows works - Andy Moor, A&B etc...
But beyond the more obvious playlisted items you have artists like Ekon, Progression, who're certainly making the kind of trance music that stands out from the drab and dreary.
Another topic has been raging in numerous threads recently about the status of trance music since the shift from hardware to software. While Tiesto's overall performance cannot be directly linked to that change, its obviously limited the amount of 'TRANCE' tunes he finds interesting or exciting enough to spin.
I believe thats the reason you see the same 'TRANCE' tunes in the playlist month to month, maybe on rotation for 4-6 months at a time. Simply because there is nothing there to swap them with. A good example here would be Scott Mac - Damager. He's played it since June, and its 100% a bomb of a track. He's going to carry on playing it in 2006 because there is just nothing out there to replace it with in terms of effective tech-trance to move from prog-trance to the harder stuff.
Its why ASOT has gone to . Because by definition that show is extremely limited to that style. Whereas over a longer set Tijs can include the newer tunes in his playlist (teh OMG he is playing house tunes!) over a shorter TIC themed set where he'll play 4 hours, its just not possible to include them.
To say its gotten worse or any different to previous years i think is also rubbish... as amongst the "hits" of the day, he would spin a fair few pitched up proggy tunes, or some unknown dutch tech- thing. Something like Paco Lesotto from this year. He has supported X Trax label since godknows when.
Despite the above arguments that he actually IS careful in his track selection, the fact he is in the public eye performing at stadia in short "circus" performances with the obvious tunes and artist productions - means that its very easy for people like yourself to completely pigeonhole his style as CHEESE and to believe he is lazy.
I think he is lazy... but in a totally different way....
| quote: | Originally posted by KeSs
Tiesto is owned right now. When you have gotten as big as he has and you have your own concert series going around. Do you really think his management is cool with him playing none of his major productions? Honestly, I think a lot of what Tiesto plays is out of his control. |
While i can't agree on the rest of your post - this makes a lot of sense. Maybe not even tunes-wise, but certainly on a level that he has never taken an interest to the business side of DJing.
So if he is lazy of anything, its just standing by and watch this whole hype/popularity thing get way too far out of hand.
What has been different the past couple of months - there has been a slowing down, and i think that will continue this year.
All the above though is more politics from within his own small clique, and shouldn't really affect the DJs performance. Something which has never been without flaws - but a lot more obvious if they (promoters and management) are going to place him on that pedastall for the world to see. |
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| miamitranceman |
This is just another of the never ending pro/con Tiesto threads. Obviously, a whole lot of people like him (just look at the TA top 100 DJ's list). Honestly, at the end of the day, that is all that really matters. He's popular, for reasons you do or don't agree with with. Can you honestly say that your fav. DJ, whomever it may be, wouldn't recieve the same criticisms for being number 1 on the DJ mag list? Is a DJ supposed to sacrifice his popularity and return to the lower rankings from where he/she came? Of course not. It's a business. Tiesto's been on top for 3 years, but it's great that PVD took over. Change is good.
And as a side note, for those who say Tiesto is lacking in skill, ability and set flow, you really need to check out his latest sets from late 2005 and into this year. It's really great stuff. |
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| Synthesia |
Guys this is getting tiring, seriously I'm not going to read any of the replies here since I'm sure they will have been written 100 times before. If you don't like Tiesto, fine, that is your fully free choice and opinion for whatever reason you like, if you do like him, good for you :) (and no I'm not being sarcastic). As with all people and dj's they have plus points and minus points. For some the plus outweigh the minus, for others vice versa, and some only see plus or only minus.
Looking at it objectively I think he's done quite a bit for trance around the world, perhaps increased trance popularity in some places it wasn't yet popular in before, and decreased it in places where the trance scene was already quite alive but diverted a lot of attention to Tiesto only instead of the rest of the community and other dj's. Anyways don't know how interesting it is to theorise about this on a global scale but either you like him or you don't.
But constantly bashing people who have a different opinions towards yourself is a lack of respect for each other and is doing the trance scene much more harm. Trance is what brought this community and the local sub-communities together as well as the people and parties outside of here. Let's focus on the unity and love of trance instead of constantly trying to sub-categorise and divide people in it.
If you'd be bashing 99% of the commerical hiphop and rnb out there that is a totally different story and I'd say go for it - get rid of that disgusting vulgar plague :) |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Synthesia
Guys this is getting tiring, seriously I'm not going to read any of the replies here since I'm sure they will have been written 100 times before. If you don't like Tiesto, fine, that is your fully free choice and opinion for whatever reason you like, if you do like him, good for you :) (and no I'm not being sarcastic). As with all people and dj's they have plus points and minus points. For some the plus outweigh the minus, for others vice versa, and some only see plus or only minus.
Looking at it objectively I think he's done quite a bit for trance around the world, perhaps increased trance popularity in some places it wasn't yet popular in before, and decreased it in places where the trance scene was already quite alive but diverted a lot of attention to Tiesto only instead of the rest of the community and other dj's. Anyways don't know how interesting it is to theorise about this on a global scale but either you like him or you don't.
But constantly bashing people who have a different opinions towards yourself is a lack of respect for each other and is doing the trance scene much more harm. Trance is what brought this community and the local sub-communities together as well as the people and parties outside of here. Let's focus on the unity and love of trance instead of constantly trying to sub-categorise and divide people in it.
If you'd be bashing 99% of the commerical hiphop and rnb out there that is a totally different story and I'd say go for it - get rid of that disgusting vulgar plague :) |
Perhaps you should give this thread a chance. It has more informative & intelligent discussion about the pitfalls of super-star-dj-dom than any of the other bashing threads.
The thread has also not been trolled by the usual suspects just picking fun or hatred on the people supporting Tiesto.
I'd say we were doing quite well till you guys (posters registering 2004+) decided to add your weight to the argument without actually bothering to read first. |
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