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Men want say in unplanned pregnancy (pg. 6)
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I agree with you on this. I do not think that abortion should be an option in the case that a woman who consentually had sex had gotten pregnant. I think it is too damn bad for her.
I think abortion should only be offered to victims of rape, and women who are in physical danger in result of birth.
But how are we able to regulate this?
Moreso, with your idea, how are the courts going to know who is lying, who isn't lying, and what is right and what is wrong?
They can't. It is impossible.
So it comes back to the basics. You have sex, you are responsible. If a baby comes of it, you should pay your debts. If not, well great for you. |
If you look back onto Roe vs. Wade case, it was argued from the point of medical emergencies for women, and it was said that it would never be used as a form of birth control. a few decades down the road, look at what has happened. The woman who was Roe is against abortion as a form of birth control and has come out since against the decision.
There was one similar case to this where the woman said in email that she lied to the man in order to force pregnancy but the judge disallowed it from being presented. I agree that proof is tough to come by but it doesn't help when judge's restrict evidence because it could "damage the mother's case" |
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| Sunsnail |
| I agree with tribu :gsmile: |
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| Konijn |
| men should have absolutely no say on anything that happens inside a woman's body, but if men aren't down with having a kid and the woman wants to go ahead anyway, they should be absolved of all responsibilities. |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
men should have absolutely no say on anything that happens inside a woman's body, but if men aren't down with having a kid and the woman wants to go ahead anyway, they should be absolved of all responsibilities. |
GHiving the men the power to decide on that gives them a bigger say on whether or not the woman keeps the child. This is abn indirect power over that decision, and we shouldn't mask it :P |
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| L.E.N. |
I feel that if abortion is 100% her choice
Than I think the guys should get the 100% choice of paying a percentage of their income for the next 18+ years.
If abortion is "against her religon"....Im sure the premarital sex was too...
My buddy is in a situation like this now. His ex-girlfriend came over and they felt the need to have sex (uses condom) even though they werent a couple anymore. Obviously there wasnt anything there that would even show commitment. This was strictly for pleasure and not to concieve. Months later, we find out shes pregnant. By this time they dont really talk much. He offers to pay for an abortion and she refuses. He is in no position to afford a child. She doesnt even want him to really be involved at all...the only thing she wants is the check in the mail. She already named the child and is basically blackmailing him into being nice if he ever wants to meet his child. No matter what this kid will be born into a broken home...thats not fair. On top of that shes the type that will bad mouth the dad to the child.
If she wanted to have this child on her own and be sooo independant, then she should be able to cover the tab that comes along with it. Why should he pay for a child that will never get a chance to help raise nor the cooperation of the other party? |
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| tribu |
Here's an unrelated but equally ed up scenario that happens everyday in Ohio and was recently held up by a court decision.
Male X and Female Y were dating and female Y got pregnant by a third party. Because they were in a relationship, because of Y's insistence, because he could not afford one, X did not ask for a paternity test. The relationship later ended up badly and the man paid child support on the usual schedule.
3 years later, a DNA test revealed that the child was not his. However, state law says that if you pay child support for more than a year, you are officially responsible for that baby, even if it is not yours. Once you accept the responsibility, you can not opt out of it.
With such a child support system, is it any wonder that men are lashing back? |
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| THE_Chris |
What I dont agree with about this is that if sex is had and an unplanned pregnacy results, its always the mans fault for having sex with her.
Well lets not forget who wanted to have a stuck in her. :rolleyes: |
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| eye_03 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by THE_Chris Well lets not forget who wanted to have a stuck in her. :rolleyes: |
exaclty! im tired of this "its the mans fault cus he stuck it in 'er"
besides, rape of course |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by THE_Chris
What I dont agree with about this is that if sex is had and an unplanned pregnacy results, its always the mans fault for having sex with her.
Well lets not forget who wanted to have a stuck in her. :rolleyes: |
Whoever said "it's the mans fault"?
Both people are at "fault".
And therefore, both should be held responsible for the child that comes of it, including financially. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Whoever said "it's the mans fault"?
Both people are at "fault".
And therefore, both should be held responsible for the child that comes of it, including financially. |
If both sexes have equal responsibility, then a man should have as much power in deciding whether or not the child is born.
So, if the woman wants to have the child, and the man doesnt, the woman can have the child, and the man has to pay money to her.
If the woman wants an ABORTION, but the man WANTS A CHILD, the woman should have to give birth to the child, and the man gets custody of it, and the woman has to pay the man.
This is fair, is it not?
If it is not explain how this is not equal rights/responsibilities. |
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| tribu |
The wild card is, of course, that the woman has to carry the child to term. This means 9 months of increasing immboilization, chemical imbalances, and painful birth or major scaring.
Men would have to pay some kind of support to compensate her for her time and pain in this potentially fatal act. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
If both sexes have equal responsibility, then a man should have as much power in deciding whether or not the child is born.
So, if the woman wants to have the child, and the man doesnt, the woman can have the child, and the man has to pay money to her.
If the woman wants an ABORTION, but the man WANTS A CHILD, the woman should have to give birth to the child, and the man gets custody of it, and the woman has to pay the man.
This is fair, is it not?
If it is not explain how this is not equal rights/responsibilities. |
In a perfect world, it would be fair.
But being that it is her body, she should not be forced to do anything she does not wish to do.
In all technicality, if a woman were to get pregnant, she would have to have the baby regardless, if it weren't for medical advancements. The fact that we now have an option is what's suddenly causing the controversy.
DAMN ADVANCEMENTS :tongue2 |
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