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Sven Väth, pop trance & dinosaurs (pg. 5)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by renttresnor
Uh, the trick that makes Progressive Trance progressive is a note changing bassline and a repeating lead, which it didn't have before, and has had in abundance since 1998. |
If you're saying that that technique was only used in trance from 1998 onwards, you're talking bollocks.
| quote: | | I've got a tip for you wise fellows. Go take a musicology class...music theory...then come back and define trance. Because you're not going to do it through ignorance of music by using interpretive adjectives that are completely unrelated to music. |
Yeah, because then you'll end up with posts full of useless musical maths and technical terms, none of which are of any use to this kind of debate. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you're saying that that technique was only used in trance from 1998 onwards, you're talking bollocks.
Yeah, because then you'll end up with posts full of useless musical maths and technical terms, none of which are of any use to this kind of debate. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
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What exactly are you laughing at? |
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| Lopitrance |
| He's laughing cause he realized what a failure of a career music is to 99% of the people that enroll in "Music" in college. |
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| renttresnor |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you're saying that that technique was only used in trance from 1998 onwards, you're talking bollocks. |
No.
| quote: | | Yeah, because then you'll end up with posts full of useless musical maths and technical terms, none of which are of any use to this kind of debate. |
Yeah, what use would techical music terms have in trying to define trance music? Wow, you've opened my eyes buddy.
You're very proud of being an ignoramus aren't you. |
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| renttresnor |
| quote: | | im not talking about progessive trance rocket scientist |
Yeah...well progressive house isn't about a 'trick' in the bassline, so what exactly are you talking about.
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I wasnt aware musicology was able to define a subjective term, such as trance.;) |
Trance isn't a subjective term, it's a genre of music characterized by definable characteristics of music. You see, that's what usually makes a genre a genre. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by renttresnor
Uh, the trick that makes Progressive Trance progressive is a note changing bassline and a repeating lead, which it didn't have before, and has had in abundance since 1998.
I've got a tip for you wise fellows. Go take a musicology class...music theory...then come back and define trance. Because you're not going to do it through ignorance of music by using interpretive adjectives that are completely unrelated to music. |
The lines between trance genres are a lot more convoluted than that. It depends on the musicological definition you give, for sure, but there's also the fact that progressive trance codified the method by which breakdowns are used in trance now, and there's time period to consider. For instance, Odysee of Noises - Firedance (Sunrise) utilised a moving bassline, but since it was released in 1994, two years before the progressive trance movement kicked in, it's regarded as classic trance by posterity. (Hell, Firedance could easily fit into anthem trance, but since that arose even later than prog, it's even less likely.)
But ultimately, these people aren't talking about progressive trance. They're talking about modern progressive house. And let me tell you, there is no musicology for progressive house. Unless you consider icey sharp production to be musical, because that's all that prog house producers care about.
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As to neotrance. I can't really see much appeal in it. It's like minimal deep trance, so it's like taking the way trance was and softening it all up. While it's applaudable, I wouldn't say it's going to save trance. |
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| RebeL9 |
am I the only one who laughed at this sentence?
"I also read an interview with Above & Beyond in Dj Mag where they basically blamed the bad name trance has today on people like DJ Sammy and other pop trance producers"
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
am I the only one who laughed at this sentence?
"I also read an interview with Above & Beyond in Dj Mag where they basically blamed the bad name trance has today on people like DJ Sammy and other pop trance producers"
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i didnt read the article but im laughin now :stongue: |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by renttresnor
Trance isn't a subjective term, it's a genre of music characterized by definable characteristics of music. You see, that's what usually makes a genre a genre. |
Well actually you are wrong...the term "trance" came from the feeling one would get from the "hypnotic" sounds of the music. At least thats what the early producers claimed. |
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| ONION |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Well actually you are wrong...the term "trance" came from the feeling one would get from the "hypnotic" sounds of the music. At least thats what the early producers claimed. |
That is absolutely spot on... what creates that hypnotic feel is the constant repetition of a leadline or bassline... and subtle tweaking of these sounds...
As for what sven vath is saying hes absolutely correct... and its the same argument that most "oldskoolers" make when referring to todays 'Trance' - That its always the same structure... that its predictable... That everyone uses the SAME ing sounds. Unlike other genres like Rock - certain instruments / sounds need to be predictable... In electronic however music we have the technology to make any sound we ing want to... So why are producers out there copying each other... Why are they all using the same structure? As long as the music is hypnotic theres no need to copy.... |
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| Four_On_Four-er |
Trance and Dino's... LOL
Dino's didn't evolve...
Dinosaurs died...
Today, we make movies, videogames, archeological careers, fascinations about them... and our children pay hommage to a fat, purple menace... |
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