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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
Learning to speak English isn't encroaching on someone's culture. If one was going to immigrate to another country for whatever, at LEAST learn the language. When I was working at a Target, you have no idea how many times people came up to me expecting ME to speak Spanish. Sorry buddy, if you've lived here long enough to hold a job AND frequently shop at a Target...you can learn some god damn English.
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They thought you spoke spanish because you're brown...:p |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
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and mannnnnnnnnnnny other countries.
I for one living in France live in a predominently turkish area. I love it.
The grocery store where I do most of my shopping has everything in turkish so I sometimes have to guess what the products are but for the most part I have it quite well figured out. Perhaps these people aren't integrated ( they barely speak french actually ) but I don't care. They are working honestly so good for them!
Look around the world and everywhere there are little foreign colonies inside all the big cities. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
Oh man, this reminds me of the time I was in jury duty and this Korean guy tried to get out of it saying he doesn't understand English that well. The judge asked how long he's been in America, he said 14 years lol. No way you've held a job, registered to vote, got a drivers license and have been living here for 14 years and can't fully grasp the English language. The judge made him sit throughout the entire jury selection with a translator lol. |
i've lived here for almost 17 years now and while English could easily be my first language, my mother still has trouble with it. It's a lot harder to learn the language when you're older and you're used to speaking/thinking in a one particular language. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
i've lived here for almost 17 years now and while English could easily be my first language, my mother still has trouble with it. It's a lot harder to learn the language when you're older and you're used to speaking/thinking in a one particular language. |
My parents have lived in France for over 25 years and they still make mistakes and when they are out shopping and stuff people regurlaly try to switch to English cause they think my parents can't speak french :stongue: . |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
and mannnnnnnnnnnny other countries.
I for one living in France live in a predominently turkish area. I love it.
The grocery store where I do most of my shopping has everything in turkish so I sometimes have to guess what the products are but for the most part I have it quite well figured out. Perhaps these people aren't integrated ( they barely speak french actually ) but I don't care. They are working honestly so good for them!
Look around the world and everywhere there are little foreign colonies inside all the big cities. |
Agreed. In fact India has always had different culture groups in it.. because of religion. You have the Muslims all in one area, all the writing is arabic, all the stores cater to the muslims, then the christian areas which have crosses and churches everywhere and is all in english, the parsi areas - all the old school zoroastrians all live in one nice area, and then everywhere else has the hindu stuff and whatnot. |
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| Slylee |
i am definitely the type to appreciate and embrace other cultures...i've travelled a lot and i want to travel even more in the future, but i don't know, i guess i'm really burned out on miami and the whole latin culture where no one really cares to learn english and everyone just caters to being spanish. you can't even get a job in miami these days unless you are fluent in spanish...kinda sucks but whatever.
looking forward to your post lira. |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
i've lived here for almost 17 years now and while English could easily be my first language, my mother still has trouble with it. It's a lot harder to learn the language when you're older and you're used to speaking/thinking in a one particular language. |
Ah good point, I actually never thought of that. Is English really that difficult to learn? I guess it is seeing as how many people with English as a first language still do a pretty horrible job (see IGK :p) |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
good point. sorry.
i always forget about u guys up there.
anyone ever see/hear that dennis leary stand up where he makes fun of canadians?
he's like, "wtf is up with canadians man? i dont' ing trust them, they're too ing quiet and nice up there!"
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hes right. we're quiet until someone pisses us off. then we got our hockey sticks and attack! :p |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
hes right. we're quiet until someone pisses us off. then we got our hockey sticks and attack! :p |
Unless you're from the French-Canadian part, then you just don't do anything :p |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
Ah good point, I actually never thought of that. Is English really that difficult to learn? I guess it is seeing as how many people with English as a first language still do a pretty horrible job (see IGK :p) |
It is. Mainly because most other languages follow the "pronounce the way you spell it" rule...whereas English doesn't. Just look at words like though, through, right and so on. If you're used to pronouncing a word the way it's spelt then that would throw you off.
Nevertheless, I think all immigrants should be put into a 8-week ESL course so they could at least grasp the basics and be able to get through every day life. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
Unless you're from the French-Canadian part, then you just don't do anything :p |
youve obviously never been beaten with breadsticks :nervous: |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
Ah good point, I actually never thought of that. Is English really that difficult to learn? I guess it is seeing as how many people with English as a first language still do a pretty horrible job (see IGK :p) |
It's not that difficult of a language.
The issue mostly comes because groups of people gather with their similar peers; they don't integrate with the rest of society and different cultures hence poor local language and cultural assimilation.
And in the US it's a little different. Historically twisting old english to make it easier ( or lazier ) for words like colour to color, through to thru etc etc resulting in peoples overall speech really garbage.
I used to correct my co workers english back in the US all the time despite having lived there only a couple years ( the same people who used to mock 'foreigners' for having bad english skills ). |
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