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The Gabriel & Dresden Artist Album Thread (pg. 3)
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| toffy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reactic
I like Let Go, Eleven, Enemy, Closer, Sydney, Tracking Treasure Down.
best track for me is Sydney, the build-up is simply amazing here!
but some tracks don't work for me att all:
Dust in the Wind is so inharmonic, melody and vocals don't fit together.
Mass repeat is just to electro for me.
Not Enough is a downtempo track with male vocals. sounds to flat for me. armin and tiesto have included good downtempos on their albums, they were emotional, just the opposite of this.
New Path has also too much electro sound and the bass is so high that the vocals don't seam to fit in there. don't like the bassline here.
Dangerous Power sounds like Tracking Treasure Down. I also don't like the effects in this track and the end of the song is very weird.
Nevertheless the album is not that bad, but I have expected a better one. |
Similar thoughts here, i really like Let Go, Eleven, Closer and Dangerous Power - and TTD too -. But maybe i expected a bit more from them, althought liking almost the 50 % of a new album is something doesnt happens too often nowadays. Even in compilations. My only big reproach is that Dangerous Power was much better when it was "Imagination" - with jess voice - . I will buy this for sure.
Come on, is like x(insert a quantity between 10000000 and 1000000000000 here) times better than the Digital Blonde album - the most overrated album ever - in terms of quality, production and everything you wants. Whats the problem then? That G&D are not the favourite artists of any of the l33tist people cause it is music that a lot of people enjoy and hey! Thats not possible for an l33tist, they just listen underground music till it grows and others starts to like. Then they move to other thing and hates everything they liked in the past. Really sad. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RJT
-Enemy: The only way I can describe this tune is that it sounds like Dave & Josh got high, went into the studio for an hour, walked out and said "That's probably good enough, let's go play video games."
-Mass Repeat: Haven't I heard this before? Oh yeah, every week for the last year when I listen to new electro or funky house releases on Beatport and DJDownload. Mass Repeat sounds Mass Produced.
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i haven't listened to the album yet because i'm afraid it will make me change my mind about seeing them in Milwaukee on the 17th... and i really want to go just so i can support the small and lacking scene here.
i already know i'm gonna hate the tracks with Molly's vocals. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by toffy
Whats the problem then? |
No Toffy, I think you're missing the point. It's not just this album, it's the burgeoning trend in dance music production to produce tracks not for the dance music community, but that will appeal to a more broad fanbase. This, in my opinion, is an incredibly detriment to the scene and community in its entirety as it promotes safety as opposed to risk taking.
Plain and simple, this album is G&D playing it "safe." There isn't anything close to new or groundbreaking on here, and in fact, a lot of it sounds like they're just trying to rip off the sound of other producers out there right now who have, over the course of the past 2-3 years, taken some chances and seen success. The problem isn't that we're all "l337," but rather that we are looking for something new, innovative, and exciting as opposed to hearing a lot of the same sounds, structures, and ideas of years passed rehashed to us by artists who clearly can't do it as well as the originators. Dave & Josh are incredibly guilty in this regard, as there genuinely isn't one piece of "original" or "innovative" sounding material on this entire album, and a lot of it does, in fact, seem to try appeal to this kind of "bastardized pop music" sound that a lot of big EDM producers seem to latch onto when they're struggling to break new ground.
It's sad, but it's the truth. Just because you can't see it, doesn't make any of us who criticize any worse for doing so. |
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| a98 |
what i don't understand in all this, and in the whole trend that seems to be in these forums, is that why you have to really dis and slaughter a record or a band if you don't like it.
if i don't like something i just say i don't like it or it's not my cup of tea, or don't say anything. and if i like something then i'll let people know.
in these forums 90% of threads is about how bad something is and how something sucks. when in other forums there are threads like "best tracks of 2006 so far" and "best sasha set" this forum has "worst tracks so far" and "worst sasha sets", what's the point?
do you think people deserve to suffer if they don't manage to please you? |
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| toffy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RJT
No Toffy, I think you're missing the point. It's not just this album, it's the burgeoning trend in dance music production to produce tracks not for the dance music community, but that will appeal to a more broad fanbase.
It's sad, but it's the truth. Just because you can't see it, doesn't make any of us who criticize any worse for doing so. |
So when producing they have to look that not many people can like it? They just produce what they like as every other producer should do. And sorry but i dont see any problem in others- not from the dance comunity - listening to electronic music. Is what i said, why has to be underground music? I mean, if a certain amount of people enjoy a track it instantly become a bad track? Is really retarded. It happened with almost every syccesful track. First 2 or 3 people discover a good track. In that moment they think is the glory, but when too much people like it is not good anymore. Why?If it was good first is good now. Big example is As the rush comes. Everybody seems to hate it now but when it appeared everyone loved it. It happened with Perasma - sorry i still remember you bashing it a lot in the tune of the year thread till someone else came and posted one of your old posts in which you bascially was desesperated to get it as you loved it. Is not a personal attack but and example -. |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
do you think people deserve to suffer if they don't manage to please you? |
I sure do, I'm an American. |
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| Reactic |
first of all whats wrong with "let go"? it's a sipmle song, just right as an intro track.. voice is also ok..
@dj djt
I don't think that this album is for the broad fanbase. never. if you want to hear albums for the broad fanbase you should listen for example to "shivers" or "tri-state". this album is far away from it, its just to experimental/electro..
and I think this album is innovative. not all songs are good, but I can hear that g&d have tried to make something new.
don't know what some of you have expected from g&d.. |
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| Reactic |
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
if i don't like something i just say i don't like it or it's not my cup of tea, or don't say anything. and if i like something then i'll let people know.
in these forums 90% of threads is about how bad something is and how something sucks. when in other forums there are threads like "best tracks of 2006 so far" and "best sasha set" this forum has "worst tracks so far" and "worst sasha sets", what's the point?
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| DJ RJT |
Well it seems like the "Grammar are Hard" Police are out in full force on this one... Let me see if I can explain this in terms you can understand:
First, @ a98: This hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil mentality you seem to embrace is going to take you no where. If you expand your argument for quietism, then essentially you're saying if you don't like anything, don't say anything. Quite frankly, constructive criticism is what keeps art fresh and entertaining. If you don't want to acknowledge flaws, that's fine, but many of us enjoy taking an objective and critical view of art. If you don't like it, you could certainly stop looking at TA, or for that matter, any site, print, televised, radio, or other kind of media that may contain critical commentary.
@ Toffy:
What you are addressing is completely outside the scope of my criticism. First of all, bringing up Perasma, everyone's tastes are allowed to change and mature. You only bring that up to attack my credibility and as a personal attack to me, regardless of what you say. I took my lumps there, and could care less to have you bring it back up.
Your argument basically says that EVERY time a track gets popular, it becomes hated almost immediately by those of us who are quote "l337." The first example I'll cite is "Love Theme Dusk," I pretty much dislike a majority of trance that is released these days, but absolutely love this tune which was clearly one of the most popular tracks of 2005. The problem that you clearly aren't seeing is that between tracks being overplayed and people's genuine desires to develop and hone their musical tastes, a lot of the "massive" tunes you talk about become tired. Quite frankly, if a tune is really great, it'll hold up over time, if not, eventually people are going to catch on and call it like they see it.
With regard to the point about it appealing to more people, no there's nothing wrong with when tunes appeal to a more broad fanbase, however; there is something VERY wrong when an artist panders very deliberately to the lowest common denominator in music: the pop music fan. If a track is strong enough on its own to garner attention, then it will most likely do so. However, if you're specifically producing tracks to appeal to the most broad group of people you can, well then as an artist, in my opinion you're selling your fanbase short, which is the ultimate slap in the face to the people who've been there from the beginning. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reactic
and I think this album is innovative. not all songs are good, but I can hear that g&d have tried to make something new.
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Not trying to take a piss at you, but can you point me to where the innovation is in this album? While it may be a "new" sound for G&D, the sounds on here certainly aren't anything I haven't already heard. |
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| toffy |
+1
I have always told it. Why dont just say "I dont like" or "I dont enjoy it" instead of "it sucks", "is ing awful" ,etc. And i know Swamper agrees here too. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by toffy
+1
I have always told it. Why dont just say "I dont like" or "I dont enjoy it" instead of "it sucks", "is ing awful" ,etc. And i know Swamper agrees here too. |
Where did I say that in here? Tell me right now where my criticism of this album crossed a line and I'll stop.
You know what I can't stand? Reading reviews that say:
"OMG ch00N!"
...or something equally meaningless.
You'll get no argument from me that I've taken a piss at a ton of tracks in the past, but honestly, I think I've attempted to stay pretty civil in my criticism of things I don't care for in the past few months. |
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