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Smoking ban activists dont speak for the workers in the industry
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| Jayx1 |
I agree completely with this guy. There is no evidence that Heather Crowe got lung cancer from second hand smoke. Many non smokers get lung cancer from various other hazards including regular air pollution, abestos, car exhaust etc.
Also im sick and tired of the no smoking lobbyists insisting that they are fighting for the rights of non smoking hospitality workers. I am a non smoking hospitality worker. No one asked me! No one asked most of the other non smoking hospitality workers that i work with who share my opinion.
If faced with the possibility of unemployment, fewer tips etc most workers would rather have smoking as part of the work place. Poverty is the greatest source of ill health according to the United Nations. Far greater of a danger than second hand smoke.
Anybody who hates smoke that much has either already left the profession, never started work in that profession, or has no business being there.
And isnt it interesting how these bans' biggest promoters are usually those who dont look like they have ever stepped foot in a bar or club (Or at least not since Diefenbaker was in office).
The last ban was stupid. This one clearly goes WAY TOO FAR
| quote: | Conflict over Ontario's new smoking ban erupted into heated exchanges in the halls of Queen's Park yesterday.
Saeid Targhi, president of Metropolis restaurant and nightclub in Stoney Creek, said his business and family's livelihood is at stake.
"I'm not ready to lose my investment over this, I'm not," said Targhi, who put in an $80,000 ventilation system in his designated smoking room which is soon to be outlawed.
Michael Perley, director of Ontario Campaign for Action on Tobacco, butted into a media scrum to confront Targhi after the business owner suggested it's not clear that anti-tobacco crusader Heather Crowe got lung cancer from secondhand smoke.
"She suffered a tobacco-induced lung cancer -- there's no doubt about it," Perley said.
A visibly agitated Targhi replied that Perley doesn't speak for workers in the hospitality industry, and that Crowe's condition pre-dates designated smoking rooms.
"Why don't you come to my establishment and talk to the staff members that I have," he said. "You guys are all brainwashed."
Ontario's tobacco ban -- one of the toughest in North America -- takes effect May 31, prohibiting smoking in enclosed public and work spaces with few exemptions.
Mychoice.ca, a "smokers' rights" group financed by tobacco companies, says the ban will be far more intrusive than people were led to believe.
For instance, the legislation specifically exempted nursing homes.
But mychoice.ca released a letter from Sunnycrest Nursing Homes Ltd. in Whitby which says the building and property are going completely smoke free.
"This legislation requires that a smoking room has to be outside the facility and that residents who smoke must be able to do so without the assistance of staff," the letter says. "These regulations will make it impossible for residents to smoke at Sunnycrest."
Gerald Rattray, president of the United Council of Veterans Hamilton district, said vets who like to hang out in the afternoon with a drink and a couple of cigarettes will have nowhere to go.
Ken Coulter, executive director of the Windsor Essex Nonprofit Support Network, said hundreds of community agencies that depend on charity bingos for fundraising are put at risk by the legislation.
Liberal MPP Peter Fonseca said jurisdictions that have been covered by strong smoking bylaws have seen business rebound as non-smokers fill in the gap.
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| Misanthrope |
I'm sitting on the fence for this issue.
Our tourism is lacking/sucking big time due to the sars era - banning smoking indoors has most likely decrease number of sales, at least there was always patio for summer, but now? that's also gone.
On the other side, I hate the smell of smoke, I hate being burnt by ciggie e.t.c
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| geroin |
| thats going too far |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misanthrope
I'm sitting on the fence for this issue.
Our tourism is lacking/sucking big time due to the sars era - banning smoking indoors has most likely decrease number of sales, at least there was always patio for summer, but now? that's also gone.
On the other side, I hate the smell of smoke, I hate being burnt by ciggie e.t.c
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i hate the smell of smoke too. But if i hated it as much as these people seem to claim, i would just choose not to be in places where it exists. NAMELY SMOKING ROOMS. |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
thats going too far |
Agreed. I can live with no smoking indoors, but to not be allowed to smoke on patios?? Or under a roof? Come on! That's really pushing it :wtf: |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| As much as I hate the smell of smoke...I think that this is stupid...banning smoking on patios? I'm all about the non-smoking indoors, I love it. It let's all of us non-smokers enjoy eating at restaurants, going to bars and what not without the smellyness etc of the smoke. However, since we aren't allowing smokers indoors, it's only fair that we think of their choice to smoke as well and give them a place to do it freely...i.e. seperate rooms in restaurants or patios that allow for much better ventilation. |
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| 7-4-7 |
when I got off the plane last time i went to Italy people smoked THE MOMENT they got off the plane, THEY SMOKE EVERYWHERE.
Are they socially or genetically more adept to handle the effects of cigarettes?
No.
Therefore, people should be able to smoke in designated areas anywhere in the public sphere. |
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| Hantu |
| Damn, is saying that designated ventilated smoking areas are also being banned? If I'm reading this correctly, then damn it seriously is going a tad bit too far. What happened to freedom of choice? I mean if a non-smoker chooses to enter a designated smoking area, that is their choice and they must face the same consequences as a person who chooses to smoke. If a non-smoker doesn't like that, then stay away from those areas. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
when I got off the plane last time i went to Italy people smoked THE MOMENT they got off the plane, THEY SMOKE EVERYWHERE.
Are they socially or genetically more adept to handle the effects of cigarettes?
No.
Therefore, people should be able to smoke in designated areas anywhere in the public sphere. |
Your conclusion doesn't follow at all. |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Your conclusion doesn't follow at all. |
if the answer is No, to the previous statements then smoking in the public sphere should not be banned. This has more to do with excessive amounts of laws and by-laws controlling the public sphere.
This is not about smoking as far as I am concerned, this is about laws. too many.
hope you follow.:) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hantu
What happened to freedom of choice? |
People became too selfish and intolerent and that selfishness
has now turned into law. Thats what happened. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
if the answer is No, to the previous statements then smoking in the public sphere should not be banned. This has more to do with excessive amounts of laws and by-laws controlling the public sphere.
This is not about smoking as far as I am concerned, this is about laws. too many.
hope you follow.:) |
The reason that there are "too many laws" is not justification to avoid enacting further laws. Laws serve a purpose. |
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