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Fl users & ex-FLusers (pg. 2)
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| don_q |
| Thanks to all of you for the replies. I was expecting ppl flaming FL and telling how they've grown by using other software.... lucky for me, I was wrong. I've regained the confidence I needed to continue instead of starting over again. :cool: |
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| Thois |
| What do you mean with "The mixer output of FL is 'not hot'/cold"??? |
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| ronk |
| I use Fruity. the best software I've tried (and I have tried - Reason and Ableton Live. didn't like them.) |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by cybernetica
I am using FL studio since more than 2 years now and I still find it totally awesome. The piano roll makes composing very easy. There is a lot of tools that ease the process of arranging stuff which lets you focus on putting your ideas into sound, which is the most important thing about a sequencer to me.
The only thing I dislike about FL is the mixer output, which sounds worse than Cubase's for example, still its very good, but there is a slight difference.
But that's not reason to quit using FL. IMO, producing music is most fun with FL... isn't that what matters most? :) |
This is complete misinformation caused by misunderstanding of the functions involved in the process.
No one should take this seriously; the sound output from FL will be identical to any other sequencer.
A piece of WAV data running through an algorithm is the exact same in any system, and they all have access to the same sets of algorithms. If you really think the sound is different, then you're doing something wrong. You aren't setting it to the max settings in the output tab.
Seriously, stop spreading this erroneous data. There is no difference in literal sound "quality".
The only reason that people put down FL is because back when it was in its earlier versions, people thought that they could easily tell an FL song from any other song, because of the compartmentalized grid that *can* be used to create drums in FL.
News Flash: you can take off ALL grids in FL and make completely fluent and swinging drum loops. You're just too lazy to do it. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
When I build kick drums in soundforge I invariably end up importing them into fruity. Typically, I gain the kick drum up in soundforge until its peaking at -3.0 dB before any processes. When I import it into fruity it is much quieter when gained up to -3.0 dB (although this is probably the meters not reading correctly). I can export the audio from fruity though and reimport it back into soundforge and both the soundforge original and the fruity export sound identical.
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In the help file it states that fruity's dB meters are not 0 dB ceilings; it is actually +6 dB ceiling.
This is simply their attempt to curb the modern trend of over-compression and every song being way too hot. |
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| Randy S |
Hey everyone!!!
I am a big fan of fruity loops 6, the producer edition, and i have created some amazing sounds and songs on that program. I agree, the earlier versions are sort of "duh duh duh" (as Mencia would say), but in terms of sequencing, it is very simple and easy to learn.
I have recently started using Cubase, and to my surprise, my first loop turned out really well. It is a completely different feeling than FL but it is one that is efficient in its own right. What really helped me to transition to a digital audio workstation is watching the cubase tutorial videos...they are dumbed down a lot and trust me - after watching just one video, you will learn so much more than you ever thought you would be capable of!
My advice, use whatever you are comfortable with, there will inevitably come a time when you are ready to explore and expand to knew things. And when that time comes, you will be ready young grasshoppa.
R |
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| Four_On_Four-er |
| quote: | Originally posted by Randy S
I agree, the earlier versions are sort of "duh duh duh" (as Mencia would say)... |
I think it's more like: "deet dee-dee". |
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| jacheatamobits |
| quote: | Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er
I think it's more like: "deet dee-dee". |
One of my current gripes with FL is this:
AUTOMATION!
i want a separate playlist for automation, and visible patterns for the knob-tweekage. IHATE hunting down by right clicking->edit events. WAY too time consuming
who agrees? |
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| jahnlay |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
This is complete misinformation caused by misunderstanding of the functions involved in the process.
No one should take this seriously; the sound output from FL will be identical to any other sequencer.
A piece of WAV data running through an algorithm is the exact same in any system, and they all have access to the same sets of algorithms. If you really think the sound is different, then you're doing something wrong. You aren't setting it to the max settings in the output tab.
Seriously, stop spreading this erroneous data. There is no difference in literal sound "quality".
The only reason that people put down FL is because back when it was in its earlier versions, people thought that they could easily tell an FL song from any other song, because of the compartmentalized grid that *can* be used to create drums in FL.
News Flash: you can take off ALL grids in FL and make completely fluent and swinging drum loops. You're just too lazy to do it. |
Newsflash, listen with your ears and stop speaking isht! |
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| TRANcL8R |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacheatamobits
One of my current gripes with FL is this:
AUTOMATION!
i want a separate playlist for automation, and visible patterns for the knob-tweekage. IHATE hunting down by right clicking->edit events. WAY too time consuming
who agrees? |
what about right click > create automation clip?
and about the output,just try rendering with different "quality setting" and try to switch off that "circular panning law".
Fl is great and easy to use but remember"if ur music sucks,it will still suck but you'll make it a whole lot faster"(mackie tracktion)
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| Jason_R |
| quote: | Originally posted by jahnlay
Newsflash, listen with your ears and stop speaking isht! |
That's not a very helpful awnser is it.
If you feel diffrently from him then why don't you tell us why? Least he listed his argument in detail so we could see where he was commig from. |
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| Derivative |
Shibby. Whatever point you are trying to make, dont be a ing about it because even if you are right, everyone will still think you are being a twat. Which you are.
As for +6 dB ceilings. Compensating for tendancies towards overcompression? Erm. That doesnt make any sense. The most immediate and logical thing you can do when you start thinking 'hang on, my outputs are cold and I need to get them louder without clipping the meters - TA DA! I KNOW - I'LL reach for the compressor!!'
If anything, having your meters falsely read 0 dB as +6 dB will make you more likely to use compression to get more gain out of your channels. Or write music which is simply 6 decibels quieter than anything else. This doesnt solve the biggest problem with overcompressed recordings - which is low dynamic range. You would simply be producing tracks exactly like you normally would (with the same tendancy towards compression and therefore dynamic range). The entire result will just be peaking 6 decibels lower.
Either way theres nothing stopping you from brickwalling everything so it does absolutely all with regards to that issue. It wont clip at +6 dB, even though all your meters are spazzing out and flashing red. Pffff.
Its like having the gas tank in your car permanently read that it has 6 litres less than it really does. It doesnt change the amount of petrol you need to go the distance. It doesnt lower your gas consumption or improve your fuel economy. It just makes you stop a couple of miles earlier to fill up. |
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