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Fl users & ex-FLusers (pg. 3)
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| jacheatamobits |
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANcL8R
what about right click > create automation clip?
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thanks
i would have started a new thread, but it looks like i dont have any more gripes with FL.
As to the comments about FL's quality:
Until someone can cite something SPECIFIC that FL cant do with a little "lateral thinking" or a good plugin, I am of the opinion that the "quality" problem is behind the keyboard, and not in the software. |
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| Four_On_Four-er |
| It's funny everyone should mention the "I'm not hearing clipping until it's blah-blah decibles". I've noticed some strange inconsistencies with the native db-meter myself; BUT Inspector tends to agree with FL-Studio (Inspector is a free spectrum analysis plug). |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
Shibby. Whatever point you are trying to make, dont be a ing about it because even if you are right, everyone will still think you are being a twat. Which you are.
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Huh?
What? O.o |
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| Lindo |
| As long as Shibby read that somewhere from a reliable source, I don't see the idea in bashing Shibby especially if he's just telling you what he heard. No need to flame him for just stating something. That's FL's problem, not his. |
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| jahnlay |
| As I expained in a number of other posts, I am a mastering engineer with 12 years experience. It has nothing to do with what you can or can't do with FL, it has to do with the sound quality. I can creat music on my phone, or a cheap casio keyboard, but the quality of the sound is bad. Same with Fruity Loops, do you understand what I'm trying to say now???? |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jahnlay
As I expained in a number of other posts, I am a mastering engineer with 12 years experience. It has nothing to do with what you can or can't do with FL, it has to do with the sound quality. I can creat music on my phone, or a cheap casio keyboard, but the quality of the sound is bad. Same with Fruity Loops, do you understand what I'm trying to say now???? |
You're trying to say that you're not a developer and have no prior knowledge of programming languages or how wave files are handled in a digital domain (which is contained within protocols that have to sit on top of lower-level frameworks such as the OS and the hardware, but the protocol is the same across all platforms for a given object, period). If the sound does not seem to be up to your "quality" standards, it's because of limitations in the hardware, or settings not set or present or able to exist yet in the software. I can't blame you, since you apparently went to school for sound engineering in a different era (12 years ago) that was pre-digital, or at least pre-digital as we know it today in the modern DAW, but that doesn't mean you should state as fact things that are only assumptions and guesses to you. I'm sure you have a lot of more useful things to share that would benefit everyone here in the production forum more than these poorly conceptualized opinions on FL Studio's supposed "quality".
Read up, there's a lot of things colliding here, such as efficiency, art, science and then there's placebo. Sound and music may be an illusion, but that doesn't mean that there aren't standards.
Waveform Audio File Format, Multimedia Programming Interface and Data Specification v1.0, Issued by IBM & Microsoft, 1991.
PS: I'm not out to insult anyone, and if you think I'm an ass, then I apologize; I'm just prodividing information I've received or found, and I'm not saying that my information is necessary 100% accurate. Not sure why Derivitive called me an ass, but for whatever reason, I'm just responding to some of the issues within the thread, not the people posting. Just because I replied to cybernetika's post harshly doesn't mean I was being harsh towards him; quite the opposite, I consider him to be a talented and intelligent fellow with lots to share (and he has, thank you). If I appear pissed off or rude (which I don't mean to be... text is a bad medium to transfer emotion), sorry for that, my beef is with the information and not you.
Cheers. |
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| Final Call |
| Well with everyone saying FL's sound engine sound like crap..well i dont know. I recently got a copy of Cubase..and i decided to render out my stuff from FL all in wav. Just simple synth melody with no effects whatsoever...but when i throw them into cubase..and then export it to mp3..it sounds worse then any of my FL tracks =/..i dont know if i should give up on cubase and go back to FL...because my stuff sounds like poo in cubase =(...at least i just want to know whats going on lol |
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| mysticalninja |
1. That won't tell you anything since you already exported it too audio from FL.
2. Export the mp3 to 320kbs and 44khz.
3. If you really want to find out what sounds better, export the same melody being played on the same vsti at the highest quality wav FL and Cubase can do. |
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| Thois |
| Perhaps somebody who has both Cubase and FL can export the same sounds, so we can compare them. |
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| jahnlay |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
You're trying to say that you're not a developer and have no prior knowledge of programming languages or how wave files are handled in a digital domain (which is contained within protocols that have to sit on top of lower-level frameworks such as the OS and the hardware, but the protocol is the same across all platforms for a given object, period). If the sound does not seem to be up to your "quality" standards, it's because of limitations in the hardware, or settings not set or present or able to exist yet in the software. I can't blame you, since you apparently went to school for sound engineering in a different era (12 years ago) that was pre-digital, or at least pre-digital as we know it today in the modern DAW, but that doesn't mean you should state as fact things that are only assumptions and guesses to you. I'm sure you have a lot of more useful things to share that would benefit everyone here in the production forum more than these poorly conceptualized opinions on FL Studio's supposed "quality".
Read up, there's a lot of things colliding here, such as efficiency, art, science and then there's placebo. Sound and music may be an illusion, but that doesn't mean that there aren't standards.
Waveform Audio File Format, Multimedia Programming Interface and Data Specification v1.0, Issued by IBM & Microsoft, 1991.
PS: I'm not out to insult anyone, and if you think I'm an ass, then I apologize; I'm just prodividing information I've received or found, and I'm not saying that my information is necessary 100% accurate. Not sure why Derivitive called me an ass, but for whatever reason, I'm just responding to some of the issues within the thread, not the people posting. Just because I replied to cybernetika's post harshly doesn't mean I was being harsh towards him; quite the opposite, I consider him to be a talented and intelligent fellow with lots to share (and he has, thank you). If I appear pissed off or rude (which I don't mean to be... text is a bad medium to transfer emotion), sorry for that, my beef is with the information and not you.
Cheers. |
What I'm saying is that you can sprout as much theory as you want but I have highly sensitive ears and not all software is created equal. Use your ears, do a comparison test! Don't come and sprout theory, listen! |
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| cybernetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
You're trying to say that you're not a developer and have no prior knowledge of programming languages or how wave files are handled in a digital domain (which is contained within protocols that have to sit on top of lower-level frameworks such as the OS and the hardware, but the protocol is the same across all platforms for a given object, period). If the sound does not seem to be up to your "quality" standards, it's because of limitations in the hardware, or settings not set or present or able to exist yet in the software. I can't blame you, since you apparently went to school for sound engineering in a different era (12 years ago) that was pre-digital, or at least pre-digital as we know it today in the modern DAW, but that doesn't mean you should state as fact things that are only assumptions and guesses to you. I'm sure you have a lot of more useful things to share that would benefit everyone here in the production forum more than these poorly conceptualized opinions on FL Studio's supposed "quality".
Read up, there's a lot of things colliding here, such as efficiency, art, science and then there's placebo. Sound and music may be an illusion, but that doesn't mean that there aren't standards.
Waveform Audio File Format, Multimedia Programming Interface and Data Specification v1.0, Issued by IBM & Microsoft, 1991.
PS: I'm not out to insult anyone, and if you think I'm an ass, then I apologize; I'm just prodividing information I've received or found, and I'm not saying that my information is necessary 100% accurate. Not sure why Derivitive called me an ass, but for whatever reason, I'm just responding to some of the issues within the thread, not the people posting. Just because I replied to cybernetika's post harshly doesn't mean I was being harsh towards him; quite the opposite, I consider him to be a talented and intelligent fellow with lots to share (and he has, thank you). If I appear pissed off or rude (which I don't mean to be... text is a bad medium to transfer emotion), sorry for that, my beef is with the information and not you.
Cheers. |
Thank you for clarifying things a little. I was never thinking youre an ass or anything. I get your point, and its a good one. Honestly, I dont understand about the coding background and I doubt I ever will... I dont think I can somehow discuss this topic on that level. I however have no proof for my statement, its just what my ears keep telling me...
As you can see, there are quite a few people like me and jahnlay who got this impression so I think its not all wrong to say "Cubase sounds better than FL"... So I thought a little about this, because something must be causing that slight difference... now I think it might not be FL's mixer but the renderer maybe? Somewhere "between sequencer and wav file" there must be a difference, because since I think I can trust my ears and those of other experienced producers enough to tell that the result sounds different.
You see, I cant provide much of a fundament for a solid argument. Those are just feelings and subjective impressions :p |
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