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Lebanese evacuation costs canada $85 million. 7000 have already returned!!! (pg. 4)
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| tw1tch |
| If you pay taxes, you deserve the benefits, if you don't pay taxes, you don't deserve the benefits. Simply holding a CDN passport shouldn't entitle you to be a full citizen with all the benefits and privileges of a Canadian Citizen. Doesn't matter where you live. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
If you pay taxes, you deserve the benefits, if you don't pay taxes, you don't deserve the benefits. Simply holding a CDN passport shouldn't entitle you to be a full citizen with all the benefits and privileges of a Canadian Citizen. Doesn't matter where you live. |
Pretty much sums up the thread.
But, this does lead to question of what is exactly citizenship, its responsibilities, rights and benefits. Is it merely paying taxes for benefits and protection from govt, or something more? |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| I've always understood that the citizens pay taxes so that the government could provide the services that the free market couldn't provide by itself (i.e. Adam Smith's invisible hand would fail to allocate adequate roadways for the citizens). Thus if you are not paying taxes, you shouldn't be entitled to any of the services. |
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| drgoodvibe |
Hrmm.. what about all these Canadian snowbirds and permsnowbirds who all live in the Carriebean and Florida for 6 months to a year or more and just come back to Canada to visit (and use Canada's healthcare system when they're sick) they number in the hundreds of thousands.
P.S I agree, those that went back should pay back at least a portion.. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
Hrmm.. what about all these Canadian snowbirds and permsnowbirds who all live in the Carriebean and Florida for 6 months to a year or more and just come back to Canada to visit (and use Canada's healthcare system when they're sick) they number in the hundreds of thousands.
P.S I agree, those that went back should pay back at least a portion.. |
I know some snowbirds. They do and must live and pay taxes in Canada for 6 months +1 day. They all lived in Canada all their lives, and retire where it's warm. Honestly, I would love to do the same thing 20 years from now. |
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| malek |
sorry to say this, even tho i'm kind of pissed at those being "canadian" just by name, but that article is pure bull.
| quote: | Between July 19 and mid-August, chartered ships and planes ferried approximately 14,000 Canadians out of Lebanon from Beirut and the southern port city of Tyre to Cyprus and Turkey. The passengers were then flown home.
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So from that 14k, 7k returned home?? impossible. not even close. |
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| nusty |
OK as a duel citizen I think I can say a lot of you guys are missing some very important points regarding international politics.
For one I take my Canadian citizenship very seriously and it's taken some members of my family a long time and hard work to gain it. (my dad's side is Canadian, My mom's is American (although she is now also Canadian) I was born in Ottawa and have lived 90% of my life in Canada.
As a Canadian citizen abroad your government gaurentees your freedoms regardless of where you are. They are there to protect us. Imagine if you were living over seas in Asia for a year of school and something went wrong. We have embassy's for exactly this kind of thing. It is build into the Canadian tax expendatures and at some point or another we have all heard of good things being done with it to help Canadians abroad in need.
Those of you who think these people just got a free vacation need a head check. Since when is being pulled out of a war torn country to save your life considered an easy going and vacation like experience? Maybe I missed the whole WAR part of it. They live there for a reason. Their lives are there currently and they chose to be there. Imagine having Canada be under international attack with bombs going off. how many of you would look at the situation of emergency evacuation as vacation?
What about those that can't afford a $7,000 plane ride? (there were lots of them) should they just be left?
As for free loaders.... I suppose I can be guilty of this since I maintain both a Canadian and American address... therefore I still have OHIP, but I also pay $150/month in US medical insurance. When I'm in Canada yeah I use OHIP, When I'm not I use the US system.
How would you feel if you came to another country and couldn't get a broken arm taken care of for whatever reason. If you did have it fixed and didn't pay you would be considered a freeloader regardless of who picks up the tab.
Canada does so much internationally for peacekeeping and war relief efforts, why is that as soon as we use some of that money to help save our citizens that its now labbelled as a waste of money?
A few million is a drop in the bucket to assure a citizens life. We spend more than that on legal crap to save 5 people in really ed up situations alone.
How would you feel if you were living somewhere else and you needed help and Canada said "sorry, there's nothing we can do"...when it's pretty clear there is lots they can do? |
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| malek |
thats an excellent post nutsy.
let me add that the article is only based on suppositions and 0 hard facts.
where is it coming from? globe and mail ? Toronto star?:rolleyes: |
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| Spam |
| But nusty, these aren't people staying in Lebanon for a year for school or business. These are people who have come to Canada to get a citizenship, get a passport, and then move back to their country of birth permanently. They have no right to suck up our tax dollars. They probably shouldn't even be Canadians to begin with. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
sorry to say this, even tho i'm kind of pissed at those being "canadian" just by name, but that article is pure bull.
So from that 14k, 7k returned home?? impossible. not even close. |
u dont think so?
I believe it
I doubt that the majority there just happened to be vacationing at the time. I dont think even mexico has that many canadian tourists at any exact time in the year! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
I don't understand why the government isn't asking to be reimbursed for the evacuation. If not the full 6000 at least a set amount should be repaid by all those rescued. |
Especially when the Canadian government wasn't even obligated to do it (it was the Lebanese government's responsibility).
Good thing we're such softies...:rolleyes:
/sarcasm |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
But nusty, these aren't people staying in Lebanon for a year for school or business. These are people who have come to Canada to get a citizenship, get a passport, and then move back to their country of birth permanently. They have no right to suck up our tax dollars. They probably shouldn't even be Canadians to begin with. |
All of them? Or just a few apples in the barrel? Canada has very strict citizenship policies and only issues it to people it feels are worthy of it. Most foriegners going through immegration to get citizenship have to work and actually know more about Canada than most of us who were 'born with our god given rights'. I think many of them have more of a right to be Canadian than we do. Who are you to decide how much they deserve to be Canadian? |
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