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Girls on Boys Team (pg. 8)
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
thats not corrcet.
Women have had the same training opportunities as men for at least the current generation. Actually probably for at least the last few generations of sports people.
Ratio of number of competitors.................. doesn't translate into the level of peak competitors. The peak is always there, no matter what the numbers below are.
In fact having less women will sometimes impove the women as it means they have to train with the men and as sportspeople are competitive (which you wouldn't know cos you obviously haven't played sport at a decent level) the women will try to "stay with" the men, so will be training harder.
neither do I:rolleyes: |
That doesn't make any sense. I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
Theresa in thick bint posting shocker - Surprise surpise.
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
do you offer spanking services? :D |
Yes. Yes I most certainly do. :D |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Theresa in thick bint posting shocker - Surprise surpise.
Yes. Yes I most certainly do. :D |
And Mikey Mike the naff decides to join in with his brilliant input - surprise surprise. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| What else needs to be said? When it comes to posting your opinions and limited fountain of knowledge, the words speak for themselves in making you look more of an idiot than I could ever hope to achieve. I only need sit back and laugh. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
What else needs to be said? When it comes to posting your opinions and limited fountain of knowledge, the words speak for themselves in making you look more of an idiot than I could ever hope to achieve. I only need sit back and laugh. |
Haha, glad you're enjoying yourself. Much love to you. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
See, this is what is bugging me. You are making the assumption that women are slower and weaker physically, given that all men are at their peak forms, according to a few records we have seen from a very select group. However, in the grand scheme of things, women are equally able to be stronger and faster than men, as men are to women (with the exception to some incredible athletes). It all depends on the individual, and quite possibly may show that women, on the whole, if were at peak forms, could average out to be stronger and faster then men, but that is something we will never really know. The fact remains that women are equally abled physically. |
sorry, but none of that is correct. for example, boys & girls at a teen level have pretty much the same opportunity to train and work out and compete. yet all the boys would throw further, run faster and jump higher than the girls. i know, i used to compete regularly. and i was faster than girls several years my senior.
i still dont see how you can argue that men arent stronger. its just a fact. we're bigger. thats just biology! same as the female funnel web spider is bigger than the male.
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
You are also making the assumption that I am not taking into consideration the "black people" and other minorities. That is not true, however, in the specific topic at hand, that doesn't directly relate seeing as we are comparing men to women. |
ahhh, but it does directly relate. youre arguing that women are "superior" (for want of a better term) than men because they havent spent their historical life oppressing an entire section of people. that statement simply isnt true.
there are many forms of prejudice and oppression across the world, and its impossible to point at a particular race, ethnicity or gender that hasnt perpetrated some form or another.
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
As for women getting better or worse training? I don't think the training they get is necessarily worse in all cases, (however, I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't as good,) but the problem lies, I think, more in the availabilty and opportunity for women to get further training. I know there are professional training hockey teams available for men here in my city, but there aren't for women. This really impedes the progress of many women in competitive sport. Again, I also come back to the point that "strong" women, and "competitive" women, although tremendously better than it has been, is still not entirely encouraged, and is often seen as "unladylike". |
but youre making an assumption that men are better because of the greater training and professional coaching without stopping to think that perhaps the men get the advantage because theyre simply better at it. everyone wants to watch the best sports people at their finest, and in team sports this is especially the case. its big business. you want the best athletes. the best athletes are men.
there will never be an athletics record that is held by a woman. they are biologically less capable. its science. you still havent provided any evidence to suggest that in similar positions women have achieved the same measurements as men.
are you trying to tell me that the world's sporting bodies have agreed that women receive subpar training or opportunities, and thats why they separate the sexes on the field? im sorry, but again thats just no true.
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
By the way, you really aren't one to talk about making assumptions and making sense. You seem to jump all over the map, and make more than your fair share of assumptions, but as I said, that IS a debating tactic, so nice try :p |
but im not making any assumptions. ive read mountains of feminist theory (thats where i got the argument re the origin of the gender divide) and as far as men are better than women at sport- you only have to watch any olympics to know that. faster, higher, longer. why are there only 3 sets in women's tennis but 5 in men's? women dont have the same stamina.
why do all the poor and impoverished male athletes of africa beat the female ones in the long distances? theres no disparity here in opportunity.
men and women are different biologically. that is all. |
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| Theresa |
| I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree. |
thats a copout! you still havent provided any evidence to suggest physical equality. if you do that, then you can agree to disagree. otherwise its just sticking to an opinion which is contrary to mountains of evidence contradicting you. |
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| DjConfessions |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
thats a copout! you still havent provided any evidence to suggest physical equality. if you do that, then you can agree to disagree. otherwise its just sticking to an opinion which is contrary to mountains of evidence contradicting you. |
go theresa. stand up for women everywhere! take off those oven mitts and fight for freedom! |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
thats a copout! you still havent provided any evidence to suggest physical equality. if you do that, then you can agree to disagree. otherwise its just sticking to an opinion which is contrary to mountains of evidence contradicting you. |
It's more like it's 5AM here, and I am exhausted and couldn't really care anymore to prove it to you.
And confessions, kindly off. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Have you ever watched a women's hockey team? It really is a joke, and if the girls are serious about it, they are being incredibly limited when forced to play with other girls who are far below the expectations of a "good" team.
Personally, I don't think there should be "boys" and girls" teams, there should be "novice", "intermediate" and "experienced" teams. If they want to avoid bull problems like this, they should stop assuming that women are not able to compete at the same level as men, and vice versa. |
I just wanted to go back to this first post of yours.
My Nan used to play hockey & played a few games with male teams but they got fed up when she was as good as they were, so used the fact her dad worked building railways as a way of excluding her through class. At school we had a mixed hockey team, I was on it & I had no problem playing with or against girls, at the end of the day there is only a minority who want to play amongst the men usually, a lot at that level aren't good, but the same can be said for boys. We played a fair few games & won a lot & had a good time, allbeit with seperate changing rooms :(
My cousin who's now 18 has been playing on a mens hockey team since he was 14, simply because he inherited my nan's ability & was too good for the kids, he's played for the county & so on & has a great time doing it, it's really helped him to become more of a man, but I don't know at what level you stop allowing women in. If they're willing to take all the bumps, bruises etc, then I see no problem for them to try (and if they're not as good, they at least tried) I just feel that in sports many guys get uptight simply because they don't want to be seen to be inferior to a girl. get over it, if she's as good, so what, women do some great things for men, vice versa |
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