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Ah... Torontonians... (pg. 15)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
grass is always greener... |
no.. i did find them arrogant... but just not as cold and lifeless as many torontonians thats all. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazedcanuck
There are a lot of factors in how welcome, or @ home you feel in a particular city.
#1. First off it starts with you. Each situation is different.. the environment (club, bar, work, school), the expecetd social norms regarding approachability, decorum, etc.
If you are on the recieveing end of hositility I think it's arrogant to simply assume it's everyone else around you
#2. Locals saying their home city is worse then where they visit. Wow, what a surpise, you enjoy places that are free of the stresses of home more than you enjoy your normal dreariness and routine/environment. Certainly your attitude is has a little more joi d'vivre when you are on vacation, so your experience is likely elevated, as is your more coirdial interactions with people under thes circumstances.
#3. Newcomers who whine that the new city is terrible and cold. Gee, could this be due to the fact that you are relatively alone, and without the comforts that familiarity of friends, family, your old routine.
Any new begining is harsh, and those early social interactions can suck. Perhaps a better way to get started is be choosier in who you approach, and next time you might not want to preface that interaction by staring at drunk girls misbehaving. I don't care where you are, two drunk girls catching a guy staring @ them being stupid are either going to laugh @ or with you, or flip you off. |
having been a newcomer to other cities where ive lived, i have to say that its incredibly easier to meet people abroad then it is in toronto. Even when you live here! I dont think Torontonians ever stop forgetting their mother's advice to not talk to strangers. People are just more inviting to let others in when im somewhere else.
Another Toronto trait that annoys me is that everyone seems to have the attention span of a squirrel. A typical conversation means that if you dont make your point within 15 seconds you lose because the person you are talking to will get distracted, fidgity, or change the subject. Unless of course, they are talking about themselves! |
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| Truepioneer |
| quote: | | Another Toronto trait that annoys me is that everyone seems to have the attention span of a squirrel. A typical conversation means that if you dont make your point within 15 seconds you lose because the person you are talking to will get distracted, fidgity, or change the subject. Unless of course, they are talking about themselves! |
If your allowed to even speak with them in the first place lol |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Truepioneer
Ah, I jus luv talking bout this stuff:
1. A great city will reach out and grab your atttention without you having to search for it. Those who've lived in different ones will know what it's about. In many places no matter how "positive" you act it will not make a difference to the majorities attitude.
I think hostility might be too harsh a word for it. Obiviously alot of people are recieving this attitude cause I've heard Zeiboo's opinions from others for years. I didn't fully understand it until I started living and travelling overseas.
2. Iam comparing Toronto to another city I lived and worked in so are Jayx1 and Zeiboo. So, were not really comparing holiday life to
9-5 working life.
3. I've lived in Toronto 22 years, yet I find this the hardest place to socialize and meet people then anywhere else I've been. Too much of an exclusive circle attitude.
It's not exaclty a new beggining in Toronto for me and I still find the place rude. I don't think we need people being even more choosier about who they approach in Toronto. It's sad that we expect that people should flip others off just for a glace:(
Your points arent applicable to many of us.
Call me old fashion but, I think manners and courtesy are just a little bit important.
Hey, different strokes for different folks I guess??? |
Exactly!!
here is an example....
When was the last time you moved into a new place and had the neighbour come and knock on your door to welcome you to the building/neighbourhood?
Sounds wierd doesnt it? But its the SOCIAL NORM in most places in the world. And its one of many social ettiquettes that severely lacks in Toronto. Talk about an EASY way to meet people and form a community. But people here are either "too busy" (watching tv no doubt), too scared or just have not been brought up with proper social skills.
Its just one stupid example of course. But add up dozens of these kinds of stupid examples and it's why toronto has a lot to learn in the social ettiquette department. |
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| English Rachel |
On craigslist.com
I LOVE TORONTO, DAMMMIT!
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Date: 2006-08-30, 12:54PM
For God's sake, I can't take all this dissing anymore. I moved here a year ago, and I love this city that you all seem to hate.
- I love the subway. I love that it's air-conditioned, and that it comes every 5 mins, even in off-times.
- I love getting surprised by bus- and streetcar-drivers who grin at you when you get on the bus, and sing out the stop names.
- I love that you can find fashionistas, indie kids, geeky scholars, and regular 9-5'ers all hanging out on the same patio.
- I love all the cozy lounges with fancy pants martinis. I love that I can get glitzed up a little to go get blitzed up a little.
- I love the vague, slow-as-molasses service at the Red Room because it forces you to sit back and chill.
- I LOVE that singing guitar man at the Madison. I also love that the Madison is basically a big frat house, but with better booze.
- I love the Beaches. (Beach? Whatever.) Especially that place with the really good calzones that you custom build, and all the cheese oozes out. Mmmmm!
- I love that "Yale" and "Harvard" in the films is really just Trinity College and Convocation Hall.
- I love watching old B horror movies at Bloor Cinema.
- I love that my vegetarian friends never have to stress about finding a veg-friendly restaurant. And I love that I can carnivore-down right next to them.
- I love that there's late night ice skating at Nathan Phillips Square. Ever walk down there some Chrismas-y night? It's right out of a movie!
- I love Toronto food. Thai, Sushi, Korean, Mediterreanean, Greek, Portugese freakin' barbecue... it's all good. And it never ends.
- I love Toronto music. There's jazz, rock, funk, electronic, folk, and it's all everywhere, all the time. And then after the concert you can go out and enjoy a smokey, greasy hot dog in the night air and laugh at the crazy club kids. Love!
Most of all, I love all you guys. Everyone I've met, every date I've gone on, every cab driver that's driven my drunk ass home, even the bums that hang out at red lights... they've all been warm and kind in at least some way. I love reading all your guys' drooling over the hot barristas at Starbucks, or the Cheese Magic boys, or the random people outside Hooker Harvey's. (I love saying "Hooker
Harvey's"!!!) Yeah, I love even you grumpy angry Torontonians, because you remind me of everything I like about this city. An entire GTA-full of people, living their lives, pulling through their ups and downs, trying to make their way... it's
heartbreaking and uplifting, all at once.
Maybe after a few more years here, I'll start to hate the city like you do. Maybe ennui will set in. But I doubt it... there is too much to discover, too much to try, and it's always changing. So there! I love this stupid city, and I'm happy and proud to call it home!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| I love everything you mentioned about toronto. This is why im so sad when i see the forces of government and society taking away what i love about Toronto. Toronto is a great place but sadly it's deteriorating fast and its all due to selfishness, greed and a sense of entitlement. If i didnt care about toronto i wouldnt post about it so much. I would love to see this great city with potential, live up to it. Sadly though, its only going to get worse before it gets better. |
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| Truepioneer |
| quote: | Most of all, I love all you guys. Everyone I've met, every date I've gone on, every cab driver that's driven my drunk ass home, even the bums that hang out at red lights... they've all been warm and kind in at least some way. I love reading all your guys' drooling over the hot barristas at Starbucks, or the Cheese Magic boys, or the random people outside Hooker Harvey's. (I love saying "Hooker
Harvey's"!!!) Yeah, I love even you grumpy angry Torontonians, because you remind me of everything I like about this city. An entire GTA-full of people, living their lives, pulling through their ups and downs, trying to make their way... it's
heartbreaking and uplifting, all at once.
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Being a city with a ratio 7-10 guys to 1 girl in almost any given place, you being a new young foreign girl and who's a refreshing change from the norm. Yes, you'll def get ALOT of nice treatment in Toronto.
Everyone has their places that work for them and and don't I suppose.
I for one much preffered living in London than Toronto: Less predictable, music with more of a feel, creative restaurants, very extensive and frequesnt transportation, heavy nightlife, closer to Europe, younger population, interesting architecture and abit chaotic, but hey.....that's how I like it:D
But, some English people tell me I'm mad for liking it:conf:
Just like some Canadians would think your mad for liking Toronto:conf:
Funny how we can all interpret the world differently.
To each there own I guess:D |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Truepioneer
Being a city with a ratio 7-10 guys to 1 girl in almost any given place, you being a new young foreign girl and who's a refreshing change from the norm. Yes, you'll def get ALOT of nice treatment in Toronto.
Everyone has their places that work for them and and don't I suppose.
I for one much preffered living in London than Toronto: Less predictable, music with more of a feel, creative restaurants, very extensive and frequesnt transportation, heavy nightlife, closer to Europe, younger population, interesting architecture and abit chaotic, but hey.....that's how I like it:D
But, some English people tell me I'm mad for liking it:conf:
Just like some Canadians would think your mad for liking Toronto:conf:
Funny how we can all interpret the world differently.
To each there own I guess:D |
I didn't write that hun, it was posted on Craigslist and my friend sent it to me so I thought I would share it.
On the subject of boys, I guess my particular accent isn't that hot (or I'm not) as I can probably count on one hand how many times I have been chatted up in 2.5 years. Also, you say 7-10:1? What are these boys you speak of? Bloody hermits????
I love Stoke-on-Trent, my place of birth and growing up until I was 25. London is a wonderful city that I love to visit. And Toronto? Let's just say I am lucky to have 2 cities of the world that I call HOME :D |
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| Truepioneer |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I didn't write that hun, it was posted on Craigslist and my friend sent it to me so I thought I would share it.
On the subject of boys, I guess my particular accent isn't that hot (or I'm not) as I can probably count on one hand how many times I have been chatted up in 2.5 years. Also, you say 7-10:1? What are these boys you speak of? Bloody hermits????
I love Stoke-on-Trent, my place of birth and growing up until I was 25. London is a wonderful city that I love to visit. And Toronto? Let's just say I am lucky to have 2 cities of the world that I call HOME :D |
Ooops, wasn't sure exactly what you quoted and what you wrote so I jus took a guess:conf:
Hermit's??? Guvernment and Destiny events pretty much explain this. Maybe it's changed over the past year cause I don't really go out in Toronto anymore. Wait a minute.... I guess that makes me a hermit then....doesn't it???:p
Yes, havin 2 places in def better than 1! I thankfully have dual citizenship. So I have the freedom of choice:D |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by preppie chick
start callinhg people papa/daddy/papi/( |
I just remember now Lars.
The new chick on the L Word, who will compete with Shane (the only other girl on the chart that is like a "hub" just as Shane is and has slept with as many (or more??) chicks than Shane) she simply goes by "Papi"
Shes latino or some sort I think too. I think I mentioned that already though. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I didn't write that hun, it was posted on Craigslist and my friend sent it to me so I thought I would share it.
On the subject of boys, I guess my particular accent isn't that hot (or I'm not) as I can probably count on one hand how many times I have been chatted up in 2.5 years. Also, you say 7-10:1? What are these boys you speak of? Bloody hermits????
I love Stoke-on-Trent, my place of birth and growing up until I was 25. London is a wonderful city that I love to visit. And Toronto? Let's just say I am lucky to have 2 cities of the world that I call HOME :D |
so that means then that alot of people have the same types of things to say about toronto if that was someone else's response to the same topic.
So sad |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I didn't write that hun, it was posted on Craigslist and my friend sent it to me so I thought I would share it.
On the subject of boys, I guess my particular accent isn't that hot (or I'm not) as I can probably count on one hand how many times I have been chatted up in 2.5 years. Also, you say 7-10:1? What are these boys you speak of? Bloody hermits????
I love Stoke-on-Trent, my place of birth and growing up until I was 25. London is a wonderful city that I love to visit. And Toronto? Let's just say I am lucky to have 2 cities of the world that I call HOME :D |
people just dont start up random conversations much here. I remember in England how many people would just start talking to me waiting at the bus. Here if you do u gut 1 word answers or grunts. And then you just give up. |
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