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| Clovis |
| I don't think anyone here is against harmonic mixing, what some of us are saying is, it is not the BE-ALL END-ALL of mixing music. |
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| Rebel Brown |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
I rely on mixshare and other sourses to tag my songs |
ing hell, you've been banging on about how important keying your tracks is this whole thread, only to let us know now that you rely on Mixshare? I bet half of the keys you've got are wrong in the first place.
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| lücid |
wow i didn't even think it was possible to get in a debate over this topic. :stongue:
personally, i love harmonic mixing, and i can't stand it when i hear clashing keys/melodies in a transition. before i started spinning on real decks i was using MixMeister Pro, and it really helped me learn a lot about harmonic mixing and phrasing. now i key out all my tracks and it's definitely an important part of mixing for me.
mixes that are harmonically compatible just sound much more fluid and flawless to me. i'm definitely not saying it's the only way to mix, because i think a lot of the time you'll have transitions that don't even interfere harmonically if they're in different keys. the melody of one song might drop out before the melody in the next song kicks in, so you don't even have to worry about clashing melodies... but if you're doing a long drawn-out mix where melodies are overlaying each other for a long time, harmonic mixing can be huuuuge. |
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| starboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
ing hell, you've been banging on about how important keying your tracks is this whole thread, only to let us know now that you rely on Mixshare? I bet half of the keys you've got are wrong in the first place.
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No, they're all right.. ive confirmed them all, with the exceptions of a few. Mixshare is what it is, people who have keyed their music, uploaded, and shared with others. |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
I don't think anyone here is against harmonic mixing, what some of us are saying is, it is not the BE-ALL END-ALL of mixing music. |
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| starboy |
| Who said it was the "be all end" of mixing music.. it just sounds better. |
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| Nemesis44 |
LOL!
It's fun to see how passionate both sides get. And truth be told there probably isn't a right or wrong answer.
But there are some inaccurate statements in this thread.
Ferry does actually mix in key, Tiesto on the other hand is a bit hit and miss with this but does do it, but utilises keys in different ways to the others as he uses key changes, but it does make some of his mixes sound a bit clangerous. Good for energy lifts though.
Armin and PVD do it too, and the list is as long as your arm.
Is it important, well the fact that pretty much most of the top 100 DJs in the world do it. They do it differently but will do it in some way or another.
Harmonic mixing isn't stricly mixing with the Camelot system to do mixes that flow smoothly.
In essence, Harmonic mixing is the understanding of music and know what types of energy you can create using it. Doesn't always refer to a long compatible mix of two tracks.
This also has to come hand in hand with the understanding of how to actually read a crowd.
It is fair to say that Harmonic mixing is just a component and not the be all and end all.
With regards to perfect pitch:
There are those who can do it, but the majority who think they can, can not (Most discover this when they take the plunge into key detecting). You can teach yourself but it takes time.
Do clubbers notice:
In my experience the answer is yes, depending on state of mind and awareness. If you drop a clanger then although not all of them do there are a fair few that will, believe it!
We live in a far more DJ conscious society these days.
Gadgets:
With regards to the people who stated that there are so many gadgets like mixmeister and stuff to tweak the keys of tracks...
So ing what, are you telling me that it's ok to have help with beatmatching but working with keys isn't?
The key matching software is questionable at best and is not to be relied on.
And while you have stuff that matches beats pretty well you still have to know when to actually drop the tune or it may as well not be matched, with keys it's the same, just because you know the key of a track it doesn't mean you know what to do with it.
Don't get me wrong, there are music styles that don't need this as much as trance or prog does. But it still helps.
I can appreciate that it isn't the ultimate answer to making you a Super DJ.
But lets face it, you have specially designed tracks to make you feel a range of emtotions, why shouldn't that apply to how you mix them too?
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what we think about this as it's the clubbers who decide, we just have to be clever enough to give them what they are looking for.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Allied Nations |
| Wonderful post Nem! |
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| starboy |
The man himself speaks! thank you :)
What happened to all the random "" posts ahaa |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
The man himself speaks! thank you :)
What happened to all the random "" posts ahaa |
Yeah, no fair. You got to keep yours. ;) |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
The man himself speaks! thank you :)
What happened to all the random "" posts ahaa |
They seem to have ended with the injecting of sense into this thread by nem! |
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| Allied Nations |
| Yours is gone now too starboy. |
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