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Response to many negative views about Hip Hop and the promotion of musical tolerance
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| Allied Nations |
As for the lyrical aspect, how many edm tracks have some ty singer overtop? Do I even need to answer that? It's done ALL the time. Sure they are different, like House and Trance are different or Minimal and Breaks. This isn't apples and oranges -as both 'hip hop/east coast/west coast/political/party' and 'house/trance/minimal/electro' are both musical genres. For people so adamantly for open mindedness and acceptance of other musical genres there seems to be a lot of absolutely basless negative opinions about the entirety of hip hop as a musical genre.
Again, some of your ignorance towards hip hop music really shows why you hate it. Tag told me I would get if I mentioned I dug hip hop on here, and he was right. All of you 'open minded' 'edm' lovers have failed to realize just what a huge impact hip hop had on house and vice versa. Did anyone but me hear that Missy Elliot a capella Trentemoller dropped? No one was whining then, everyone was dancing. I loooooove hip hop, I love GOOD hip hop. Thus far your criticisms against hip hop mirror the criticisms you have about 'pop' dance. OF COURSE the pop side of it is watered down and garbage... 50 Cent = Tiesto ffs.
If you want people to be open minded and accepting of your preffered genre, I suggest you exercise a similar approach towards 'theirs'. |
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| Spin Laden |
| Desyn Masiello live at Aria Montreal 2004.02.21.... Janet Jackson samples in there, list goes on and on... |
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| UneeK |
well said dude....
but one thing for sure, hip hop is not what it used to be. The biggest hip hop fan will tell you that. Right now, the music is very watered down, made for strictly commercial success. It wasn't always like that. Hip hop's underground scene is nearly dead. The south has taken over and not everybody is feeling that vibe. The good ol' days of wu-tang, gang starr, nas, mobb deep, etc. are all gone. Thats when hip hop was at its best IMO.
Either way, i was done with all this when i heard one particular Paul Oakenfold set in 1999 :)
The way i look at it, i have no more time for hip hop because they're simply isnt enough good music coming out. i have one life to live, might as well give my ears the best possible. edm for life ;) |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by UneeK
well said dude....
but one thing for sure, hip hop is not what it used to be. The biggest hip hop fan will tell you that. Right now, the music is very watered down, made for strictly commercial success. It wasn't always like that. Hip hop's underground scene is nearly dead. The south has taken over and not everybody is feeling that vibe. The good ol' days of wu-tang, gang starr, nas, mobb deep, etc. are all gone. Thats when hip hop was at its best IMO.
Either way, i was done with all this when i heard one particular Paul Oakenfold set in 1999 :)
The way i look at it, i have no more time for hip hop because they're simply isnt enough good music coming out. i have one life to live, might as well give my ears the best possible. edm for life ;) |
I have to disagree.
There's still great hiphop/rap music coming out from around the world.
The whole gangster rap scene sucks now for sure.
But there's just as much amazing stuff coming out you just need to know where to look. I think most new electronic music is , but there's still great stuff coming out. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by UneeK
well said dude....
but one thing for sure, hip hop is not what it used to be. The biggest hip hop fan will tell you that. Right now, the music is very watered down, made for strictly commercial success. It wasn't always like that. Hip hop's underground scene is nearly dead. The south has taken over and not everybody is feeling that vibe. The good ol' days of wu-tang, gang starr, nas, mobb deep, etc. are all gone. Thats when hip hop was at its best IMO.
Either way, i was done with all this when i heard one particular Paul Oakenfold set in 1999 :)
The way i look at it, i have no more time for hip hop because they're simply isnt enough good music coming out. i have one life to live, might as well give my ears the best possible. edm for life ;) |
Hip hop's underground is alive and KICKING! You just might not realize that because it's underground... not pop :p |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Hip hop's underground is alive and KICKING! You just might not realize that because it's underground... not pop :p |
exactly |
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| UneeK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tag
I have to disagree.
There's still great hiphop/rap music coming out from around the world.
The whole gangster rap scene sucks now for sure.
But there's just as much amazing stuff coming out you just need to know where to look. I think most new electronic music is , but there's still great stuff coming out. |
Maybe your right, i spend way too much time looking for good edm, and not enough for good hip hop :)
The ratio of good records is still pretty . There is for still good stuff, but at a much much slower rate than before. right now im feeling lupe fiasco. he's fresh and original.
IMO i think hip hop will go back to its roots in about 3-4 years. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by UneeK
Maybe your right, i spend way too much time looking for good edm, and not enough for good hip hop :)
The ratio of good records is still pretty . There is for still good stuff, but at a much much slower rate than before. right now im feeling lupe fiasco. he's fresh and original.
IMO i think hip hop will go back to its roots in about 3-4 years. |
Do you have any info related to the ratio of how many good hip hop records are coming out vs bad ones? That's quite a statistic to boast. Also, if we want to play it like this trance/house/electro ARE THE TIEST GENRES EVER!
Seriously... thousands of new dance tunes on beatport weekly, SOO MANY of them . |
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
Sick!!!
Allied: Hip hop isn't edm. Two completely different genres. What you're talking about is the perception of both, and that is the same, yes. But they are not same music styles. You pick up a mic and spit out some lyrics with absolutely no music to back you and it's still called hiphop/rap....can't do that with edm
MT |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
I just still don't get how hip hop is not EDM. |
So I don't understand the irrelevance :conf:
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
As for the lyrical aspect, how many edm tracks have some ty singer overtop? Do I even need to answer that? It's done ALL the time. Sure they are different, like House and Trance are different or Minimal and Breaks. This isn't apples and oranges -as both 'hip hop/east coast/west coast/political/party' and 'house/trance/minimal/electro' are both musical genres. For people so adamantly for open mindedness and acceptance of other musical genres there seems to be a lot of absolutely basless negative opinions about the entirety of hip hop as a musical genre.
Again, some of your ignorance towards hip hop music really shows why you hate it. Tag told me I would get if I mentioned I dug hip hop on here, and he was right. All of you 'open minded' 'edm' lovers have failed to realize just what a huge impact hip hop had on house and vice versa. Did anyone but me hear that Missy Elliot a capella Trentemoller dropped? No one was whining then, everyone was dancing. I loooooove hip hop, I love GOOD hip hop. Thus far your criticisms against hip hop mirror the criticisms you have about 'pop' dance. OF COURSE the pop side of it is watered down and garbage... 50 Cent = Tiesto ffs.
If you want people to be open minded and accepting of your preffered genre, I suggest you exercise a similar approach towards 'theirs'. |
As far as lyrics go, there is a lot of edm with vocals...but there's a helluva lot more edm without any vocals than rap/hiphop without vocals and just beats (instrumentals don't count)...
The whole point of rap has always been more about the lyrics, about what they say and how they say it than the beat that follows it. EDM has always been more about opening your imagination to different electronic sounds. Of course they influeced each other, but you can say the same thing about every single musical genre and you wouldn't be wrong...
If you are literally saying hip hop is electronic dance music you wouldn't be far off coz these days most of it is (ironically, the bad gangsta is coz its geared for clubs and the words they spit don't mean )...but if you wanna talk about roots and core values, they are way different.
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Hip hop's underground is alive and KICKING! You just might not realize that because it's underground... not pop :p |
Underground has always been the way to go :disbelief!!!
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
was a responce to
So I don't understand the irrelevance :conf:
As far as lyrics go, there is a lot of edm with vocals...but there's a helluva lot more edm without any vocals than rap/hiphop without vocals and just beats (instrumentals don't count)...
The whole point of rap has always been more about the lyrics, about what they say and how they say it than the beat that follows it. EDM has always been more about opening your imagination to different electronic sounds.
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Since when? In the case of house music is party music, Hip Hop is party music. Both are black music. Sure, a lot of the really intense foundations of the more obscure genre's of electronic music aren't located in dance music, but they weren't made for dancing anyways (with the exception of new interpretations released in the last 5-10 years) therefor it isn't EDM. Tell me where Frankie Knuckles was talking about exploring sounds... he was trying to make disco/italo disc music without an orchestra in his house.
In the case of many other subgenres of House/techno/trance etc it would be seen that the focus has shifted entirely to drugs. There's something to support! Yay drugs! Lets advertise parties using cat tranquilizer! Let's all take speed so we can stay up longer than natural! Yay for synthetic living! The violence aspec of hip hop is ty no doubt, but it's not all of hip hop as drugs aren't all of EDM.
Sure the lyrics are a main factor in Hip Hop and during the last 70's/early 80's the DJ's role became much different with the introduction to MCing. Dub was had been in New York city fo about 10 yars, DJs started to learn tricks and Live MCing became a huge part of partying. Guys like Bambatta and Flash were throwing parties and people were dancing. These guys had imagination !
Please understand when you use the term EDM you are referring to DANCE music, music based around DANCE PARTIES. If you were to say, Electronic Music or Ambient Music, It would be different.
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If you are literally saying hip hop is electronic dance music you wouldn't be far off coz these days most of it is (ironically, the bad gangsta is coz its geared for clubs and the words they spit don't mean )...but if you wanna talk about roots and core values, they are way different.
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ALL OF IT IS EDM AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN! It's made with electronic things! Samplers, synths, all of it is used in hip hop n many cases th e same way as it is I said above, NO the roots and core values are the same, one of the real differences is that that the House Scene was mainly propelled by the gay crowd in those days while Hip Hop wasn't. I just don't understand how you can so blindly defend a genre which you bash daily. Soooo many tracks, sooo many DJs... etc etc etc. You don't think the hip hop heads think the same thing about the big hip hop artists?
You need to look at the bigger picture and listen to what you are saying rather than just talking.
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Underground has always been the way to go :disbelief!!!
MT |
This I agree with, but to an extent. A lot of pop music is great, I'd be lying to myself if I denied that.
Open your ears man. There's a lot out there. |
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| all-nite-freak |
hip hop is good
all the stuff they call hip hop from the last 4 years is pure .
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in the early 90's it was still a form of social resistance and had much meaning attached to it.Now it is extra disrespectful towards women, preaching the $$$ over morals (excluding kanye west) and nicely packaged in bubblegum wrapping for suburban white america.Sorry greg...i respect your love for this "music", but honestly the genre is tired and can be compared to tiesto.No matter what is put out it wilkl sell like hot cakes simply because black culture has been the market trend from fashion to music.Give me Das Efx or Lords of the Underground before any of the today.Of course you wouldnt know about them because you were 3 years old then:p |
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| Dj Nacht |
| I don't bash hip hop, I just don't care about it at all. EDM for life. |
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