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I'm dropping out of art school (pg. 2)
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| kid nyce |
i think you'd do well in advertising, just know that there are 2 sides to it, creative and business. You don't necessarily have to do the actual creative packaging if you think the tools are hard pressed to learn. You can always be a merch manager where I think these marketing mgr's do have alot of glory. One huge frill is an expense per account as well as personal budget to "bring in those marketing efforts". You can wine and dine your accounts to get them to spend more advertising dollars if you have good social skills and have reason to back them up. Reasons which are predefined by the R&D section of most business oriented companies. So you don't ever have to drum up skills on your own, but if you've got great social skills with a decent business minded background, then I think marketing manager is a nice position for you.
Even if you have a sense of art you could atleast STEER the marketing budget in a direction and support it with the facts supplied by your research dept.
either way whatever you choose im sure you'll do fine. |
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| Clovis |
I think if your taking the time to go to school you should at least go for something you enjoy.
Your reasoning makes perfect sense, and anyone would tell you its the better choice for a more prosperous life later on, but eh, I like taking risks and trying something crazy... :happy2: I might not own a house by 30, but if I'm doing something I like, then it would be worth it... |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
I think if your taking the time to go to school you should at least go for something you enjoy.
Your reasoning makes perfect sense, and anyone would tell you its the better choice for a more prosperous life later on, but eh, I like taking risks and trying something crazy... :happy2: I might not own a house by 30, but if I'm doing something I like, then it would be worth it... |
well that's what i meant when i said i'm finally being honest with myself.
i'm not willing to chase my art dreams. Maybe it’s the age difference, but I’m just realizing that I want a very stable and respectable career, and I think going with what I know is best for me now because I know my work habits and what i'm willing and able to get done.
Kidnyce, the marketing part is the part of advertising I loathe. I might have great social skills, and come off as an extrovert, but I’m kind of a closet introvert. I don’t care to schmooze. Quit trying to talk me into following the advertising damnit! lol |
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| kid nyce |
lol i wont try to sell it to you anymore
and if you go the law route, may i wish you a speedy recovery once it truely kicks your ass lol
marketing to me is making money to spend money so other people can make money so the can spend more money making money for me |
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| Slylee |
Look, the things that I truly enjoy in life are things like traveling, photography, good food, cooking, having dinner parties (in a nice house), driving a nice car, being able to send my kids to good schools. I know that’s a bit materialistic, but I’m not a complete phony in that sense. I realized that I don’t want to pursue a career that incorporates my passions, because I’d like to enjoy my passions on a strictly “pleasure” basis, not business. Does that make more sense?
I think I’d be a great attorney and would enjoy it. I know I would. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
Look, the things that I truly enjoy in life are things like traveling, photography, good food, cooking, having dinner parties (in a nice house), driving a nice car, being able to send my kids to good schools. I know that’s a bit materialistic, but I’m not a complete phony in that sense. I realized that I don’t want to pursue a career that incorporates my passions, because I’d like to enjoy my passions on a strictly “pleasure” basis, not business. Does that make more sense?
I think I’d be a great attorney and would enjoy it. I know I would. |
I think this makes sense. I know a bunch of people who went to school to be [insert some major with no earning potential here]. Then they get out of school and realize that they can't make any cash in what they studied so they spent between 15 and 80 grand on a degree depending on what school they went to with no way to ever recoup that investment.
Thats the way I looked at school. If I'm gonna spend 4 years and thousands of dollars I need to know I'm gonna get a return on that investment. I'm not putting that kind of time and effort into it to end up in some job only making $40K a year.
That being said I do know three lawyers (they are all in corporate law) and they all had made partner and were all making over $300K a year by the time they were 35. But the trade off for that was literally working 15 hour days, 6-7 days a week. I watched their kids throw a screaming fit because the nanny just left and the kids are more attached to her than their parents because on a good day they spend an hour or so with their kids. If you are not as motivated by success and money as they were it probably won't be as bad but know what you are getting yourself into. |
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| Deeedeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
nope. baby steps, lol. i think finishing my bachelors is my first step. i should probably switch to pre-law as soon as i get into a university from community college. i'm not going to waste my time with a political science or criminology undergrad degree because i think once i go to law school, i'll be missing credits that i'll need and will have to take them while i'm in law school. i'd rather go to law school with every undergrad credit i need, so i dont waste any more time than i already have with my career choice.
i think i'll only need to go to community college for one semester, depending on how many of my credits i can transfer from my art school, but since it's an art school and not nationally accredited, i might have to take some over. community college is dirt cheap and there is one right downtown near my work that i can go to at night. hopefully i can bet on being at a 4 year univ. by next fall. |
to go against the grain- think about the plethora of masses that receive their BA in pre-law only because why? it's the only logical path? from what i've understood after numerous counseling sessions with advisors, the main objective of law schools is diversity. they want the arts, the sciences, the foreign languages, etc. because they want you to enter 'virginized' with absolutely no preconceived notions of the law itself. but who really knows right? i just finished reading THIS (disregard the reviews, or lack thereof) and found it very insightful.
and did you say 80K coming OUT of law school? nuh-uh. numerous studies suggest 30K or below on those 70+ hour weeks. and then you have to keep in mind paralegals as well, who are doing those strenious loads of work hours for a dramatically lower salary, hence firms regurgitating lawyers and taking on all paralegals. another factor to remember is that during your first year of law (1L) you're unable to work. i hadn't known this and perhaps changes my hindsight. but you've got an environment at work which obviously puts you at an advantage, i'd pick their brains.
here are some forums that may prove beneficial:
click and click
if you happen to be one of the anomalies and pull maybe even 40K out of your first year, working 70 hours a week, what else will it cost you besides your soul and limbs to FINALLY be making salary after repayment of loans?
i don't know. i was planning on tackling the LSAT late '07, but as i research, read, talk to advisors and other aquaintances in the law field i'm beginning to wonder if pursuing this will truly reap rewards. On the other hand i could be teaching english or spanish abroad, making less obviously... but happy. lifes too short. why settle for plan b? |
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| Deeedeee |
just another tid, remember that bland car accident thread you made? and your position in that thread, and reasoning behind it?
if your whole-heartedly, truly considering pursuing this- cut and dry yourself. fast. |
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| Slylee |
yea but that's if i graduate law school and go straight to the DA's office where they pile my desk full of cases and send me off to court, along w/ the 60-70 work week for like 40-50k. you're right.
but it's different with each area of law. i dont particularly like PI work, but i could easily get a job as an "associate" at a big PI law firm and score at LEAST a 60k salary, maybe higher, right out of law school.
i've discussed it with my boss and he thinks it's an excellent idea and gave me loads of options for schooling, money, etc...
he also mentioned not being able to work during law school. he said some do, but it's really hard. he said i should go with the living off student loan route, when it comes time for that, which i would have no problem doing.
thanks for the reads dee deee...i'll check them out:)
look, i know what i'm getting into. i've been in this industry a long time, and i know tons of attorneys whom i've both worked for, and just know from being with my ex (a chiropractor..they do loads of business with PI attorneys...golf together, etc..)
it really depends on your area of law if you want to start arguing about starting salaries and the hours you need to put in. my boss worked for a big firm right out of law school and only lasted a year before he buddied up with his partner and they took out a business loan and now have their own firm. they are both 33 and are rolling in the dough. i'd probably start off with PI and lean towards corporate litigation. i find that work more interesting.
but who knows...like i said, i'm just doing this one step at a time.
my problem has always been that i focus on the big picture...this time around, i'm doing baby steps. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
i'd probably start off with PI and lean towards corporate litigation. i find that work more interesting.
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You are smart, corporate is where the cash is. If you are gonna be a lawyer you might as well be maximizing your income. |
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| Deeedeee |
odd, i've been told PI is equivalent to the bottom of the barracks and corporate is the way to go, as you've said.
i'm not trying to be a killjoy and am partly trying to pep myself for what the future holds. i've got to remind myself that if i do pursue law, it's going to be a ing carnage jungle.
i've got to compete with 4.0 John, who sits in the very front seat and shoots his hand up to answer before the question even rolls out of the professors mouth, how the hell can i compete with Susie who stays after an hour after every class sucking off whomever faster than courtney love. i love competition, don't get me wrong. i just don't want to lose myself.
and the socratic teaching method? jesus christ.
see, i'm already jaded.
edit/ if you're perogative is cash, why law? With investment banking you'd even get to keep ego and social life in tact. |
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| Slylee |
because i already have a head start and feel very comfortable with working at law firms.
i love luncheons, big christmas parties, and bonuses:)
PI is hit or miss, and it depends on the area u live in too. south florida is like PI central. lol |
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