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| Wicked Neo |
UPDATE:
The authorities have analysed the substance's she was carrieing and have now found she only had 281 grams of cannabis, so she will not face the death penalty, she will more than likely now get 5 to 20 years in prison.
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| Michael Russo |
| quote: | Originally posted by randummboy
yeah they can.. it happens everyday!! |
Once again... just cause they do doesn't mean it's right. |
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| Biohazard |
yup thats singapore, people are afraid of drugs there
Im glad I dont live there anymore, I hate the place even though im half singaporean |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by davinox
that's got to be a joke!
killing someone over weed? |
i'd kill anyone for 24 ounces of weed. :p |
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| Gekhous |
| im so stoned i couldnt even see the difference betwwen a horse & a cow, da,n. deathsentence for having drugs ON u!!! and not even hard drugs, no, SOFTDRUGS!!! damn thats harsh |
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| Thor |
| quote: | In 1965, according to a Harris pol, 38 percent of U.S. poll respondents believed in the death penalty; 47 percent opposed it. In 1997, 75 percent said they believed in the death penalty and only 22 percent opposed it. A 1996 poll conducted by Sam Houston State University found that 73.4 percent of respondents nationwide favored the death penalty for persons convicted of murder, but of those, 20.1 percent no longer favored the death penalty if convicted murderers were given a "true" life sentence that is, sentenced to life imprisonment without possiblity of parole.
This comes from the University of Alaska Anchorage website.
Heres the site
Even after you take away the 20.1 percent from the 73.4 percent, it is still a majority. |
The majority of the world once thought the earth was flat, even thought at one time the earth was the center of our solar system. But hey majority can't ever be wrong right? lol .. I'm curious of the majority who support capital punishment, how many of those are thinking for themselves like we are, actually reading up about it and making our opinions based on what we learn? Its like it is with elections, people vote for polititians without giving it any thought, its called ignorant masses ;)
| quote: | The point is, we could argue this to death and come up with credible sites to back our stuff up. People have been debating this for a long time and will for long time. We will never agree and i think we can agree to disagree. I was just wanted to call you on saying numbers that may or may not exist without proof.
Good day to you, sir |
The problem is yes no real proof either way, but if you support a system that murders people without hard proof that its very effective I think you are supporting state sponsored murder. Its obvious innocent people have been killed thanks to the USA's racist justice system of the past and somewhat now in the present. The studies that have been done recently in 1999 sponsored by the United Nations show that the death penalty is not a deterrant, your own police chiefs in a poll done in 1996 feel its not a deterrant. Most capital crimes are committed in crimes of passion, heat of the moment...
Put together that innocent people are being killed in an obviously flawed system of missing evidence, police mis-conduct, and a racially biast system, you should at least in the US stop all executions until you can re-examine it very carefully.
| quote: | | Thor, if you look to my previous post i asked for REPUTIBLE sources. I asked if there was a scientific study to back up your arbitrary number of more than fifty death row inmates being released. You answered with sites from the ACLU and a private site. These are not reputible sources and where i go to school if i quoted them as sources i would get a big fat F. |
No 'scientific' study is required in a legal matter. DNA testing has freed 77 death row inmates since 1970. These facts are just that, FACTS. Just because I linked to the ACLU, which yes is a special interest group; it still however uses facts to fight for its cause not made up numbers.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/15/death.row/
Your capital punishment system is in dis-array right now, killing innocents in a supposedly modern country is shamefull and the rest of the modern world looks down on your country for its behavior. You should be proud to compare your country with others who use capital punishment like Iran, Saudia Arabia and yes Signapore.
Here's a list of fellow capital punishment countries:
Countries which retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes
AFGHANISTAN, ALGERIA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARMENIA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BENIN, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KENYA, KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MAURITANIA, MONGOLIA, MOROCCO, MYANMAR, NIGERIA, NORTH KOREA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SOUTH KOREA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE
All you need to do is look at this list to see one very clear thing, you are in good company ;)
Here's some more facts, from Amnesty international, they may be a interest group, but these are facts neverless.
"10. The Death Penalty in the USA
! 66 prisoners were executed in the USA in 2001, bringing to 749 the total number executed since the use of the death penalty was resumed in 1977.
! Over 3,700 prisoners were under sentence of death as of 1 January 2001.
! 38 of the 50 US states provide for the death penalty in law. The death penalty is also provided under US federal military and civilian law."
"9. Execution of the Innocent
As long as the death penalty is maintained, the risk of executing the innocent can never be eliminated.
Since 1973 more than 90 US prisoners have been released from death row after evidence emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death. Some had come close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death. Recurring features in their cases include prosecutorial or police misconduct; the use of unreliable witness testimony, physical evidence, or confessions; and inadequate defence representation. Other US prisoners have gone to their deaths despite serious doubts over their guilt.
The Governor of the US state of Illinois, George Ryan, declared a moratorium on executions in January 2000. His decision followed the exoneration of the 13th death row prisoner found to have been wrongfully convicted in the state since the USA reinstated the death penalty in 1977. During the same period, 12 other Illinois prisoners had been executed.
Announcing the moratorium, Governor Ryan said: "I cannot support a system which, in its administration, has proven so fraught with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state's taking of innocent life... Until I can be sure that everyone sentenced to death in Illinois is truly guilty, until I can be sure with moral certainty that no innocent man or woman is facing a lethal injection, no one will meet that fate. (Smart man)
"6. The Deterrence Argument
Scientific studies have consistently failed to find convincing evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than other punishments. The most recent survey of research findings on the relation between the death penalty and homicide rates, conducted for the United Nations in 1988 and updated in 1996, concluded: "Research has failed to provide scientific proof that executions have a greater deterrent effect than life imprisonment and such proof is unlikely to be forthcoming. The evidence as a whole still gives no positive support to the deterrent hypothesis..."
(Reference: Roger Hood, The Death Penalty: A World-wide Perspective, Oxford, Clarendon Press, revised edition, 1996, p. 238, paragraph 328)"
"7. Effect of Abolition on Crime Rates
Reviewing the evidence on the relation between changes in the use of the death penalty and crime rates, a study conducted for the United Nations in 1988 and updated in 1996 stated that "the fact that all the evidence continues to point in the same direction is persuasive a priori evidence that countries need not fear sudden and serious changes in the curve of crime if they reduce their reliance upon the death penalty".
Recent crime figures from abolitionist countries fail to show that abolition has harmful effects. In Canada, the homicide rate per 100,000 population fell from a peak of 3.09 in 1975, the year before the abolition of the death penalty for murder, to 2.41 in 1980, and since then it has declined further. In 1999, 23 years after abolition, the homicide rate was 1.76 per 100,000 population, 43 per cent lower than in 1975. The total number of homicides reported in the country fell in 1999 for the third straight year.
(Reference: Roger Hood, The Death Penalty: A World-wide Perspective, Oxford, Clarendon Press, revised edition, 1996, p. 187, paragraph 253)"
You can read all the points at this site:
http://www.web.amnesty.org/rmp/dpli...02568810050f05f!OpenDocument
Join the movement against capital punishment, check out Amnesty International website against the death penalty:
http://www.web.amnesty.org/rmp/dpli.../index?openview
Oh and for the UN study on the world wide death penalty perspective, here's Dr. Roger Hood's BIO and credentials:
http://www.law.ox.ac.uk/hood.htm
Roger Hood is Professor of Criminology, Director of the Centre for Criminological Research and a Fellow of All Souls College.
He obtained his B.Sc. in Sociology from the London School of Economics in 1957 and his Ph.D. from Cambridge University in 1963.
In 1986 he was given the Sellin-Glueck Award for ‘Distinguished International Contributions to Criminology’ by the American Society of Criminology; 1992 he was elected a Fellow of the British Academy and in 1995 appointed CBE ‘for services to the study of criminology’.
He was a research officer at the LSE in 1957-58 and from 1961-63. He then moved to Durham University to be Lecturer in Social Administration at the University of Durham (1963-67). From 1967 to 1973 he was Assistant Director of Research and Director of Post-Graduate Studies at the Institute of Criminology at Cambridge, where he was also a Fellow of Clare Hall.
In 1973 he came to Oxford as the University Reader in Criminology. He has been a member of the Parole Board for England and Wales, of the Judicial Studies Board and of the Departmental Committee to Review the Parole System (1987-88). He has also been consultant to the United Nations on the death penalty and from 1987-89 was President of the British Society of Criminology.
Among his publications are:
Sentencing in Magistrates’ Courts (1962);
Borstal Re-Assessed (1965);
Key Issues in Criminology (with Richard Sparks, 1970);
Sentencing the Motoring Offender (1972);
A History of English Criminal Law and its Administration, vol. 5, The Emergence of Penal Policy (with Sir Leon Radzinowicz 1986);
Race and Sentencing (1992) and
The Death Penalty: a World-wide Perspective (2nd ed. 1996). |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by rupert
the principles applied by Singapore to drug dealers and the United States to murderers are EXACTLY the same.
Capital Punishment is just what society calls Human Sacrifice nowadays. When societies are threatened with social disintergration or percieved social disintergration they lash at at people who mainstream society doesnt care about. These days those people are called criminals. In other times they were prisoners of war, religious deviants, witches, whatever.
Sacrificial lambs.
Sacrificing prisoners of war at the altar of an aztec god, burning heretics at the stake, sending some black guy to the electric chair. Its the same thing. Elaborate ritual,(an invocation to god, a final meal) followed by formalized murder.
Make no mistake about it Capital Punishment has very, very strong religious overtones. I think it would be safe to say that the more fanatical a society is in its religious beliefs and the more the ruling elite fear losing control the more likely it is to actively and vigorously pursue capital punishment as a means of control.
Religion has long been understood as a method of social control. I apply religion in a very broad context to include ideological religions such as Communism and Fascism.
Whether it be electrocution for alleged murderers in America, stoning for adulterers in Nigeria, hanging for drug dealing in South-East Asia. They are all the same thing. Crimes committed by the society against its people. Extreme punishments dont stop the crimes being committed.
To say that someone shouldnt have committed the crime in the first is to miss the point entirely. No government, no religion, no god, no society can take away a persons right to live. To take away that right is called Murder. Whether I do it to the guy next door, or the government does it to me, Murder is Murder. |
I like the way you think :) .. Very good post! :D |
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| Trancer-X |
| Thor, your erudition is astounding! Thanks for sharing! |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thor
The majority of the world once thought the earth was flat, even thought at one time the earth was the center of our solar system. But hey majority can't ever be wrong right? lol .. I'm curious of the majority who support capital punishment, how many of those are thinking for themselves like we are, actually reading up about it and making our opinions based on what we learn? Its like it is with elections, people vote for polititians without giving it any thought, its called ignorant masses ;) |
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-Albert Einstein |
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| Thor |
Sorry randummboy I had forgotten to respond to you earlier, I just re-read the whole thread and just had to say a few things :)
| quote: | | i know its just marijuana, but think of how many kids are going to get their hands on it.. |
lol, how many young people get their hands on alcohol? Same situation, would you put someone to death caught with a crate of vodka? Besides I can guarantee that most people who get a hold of that weed will be over 18, because its not cheap to get weed in signapore and alcohol is much easier to get for underage people.
| quote: | | and as we all know, marijuana is the gateway drug.. next thing you know they'll be shooting up.. |
Hmmm interesting, then why is it that statistics show that to be totally and utterly untrue? I know at least 50 friends that have smoked weed or still do, NONE of them have ever done any hard like heroin, cocaine, crack, etc.. The gateway drug 'theory' is total and utter propoganda used by anti-drug activists. It is simply not true. Here's some statistics on this ridiculous gateway theory:
"Distortion 7: Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to heroin and cocaine addiction.
The ‘gateway’ claim is a myth. Marijuana is the most widely used illicit drug so it is very likely that people who use less commonly-used drugs will have also tried marijuana. That does not mean marijuana led to hard drug use. The research indicates most marijuana users do not go onto use hard drugs; marijuana is more properly viewed as a strainer that catches most illicit drug users and they go no further. The numbers bear out these findings: According to the federal government 76.3 million people have tried marijuana, while only 2.78 million have ever tried heroin in their lifetimes and only 5.3 million have ever tried cocaine in their lives. The figures for monthly use are similar: 10.7 million Americans admit to being regular marijuana users, yet only 1.2 million admit to using cocaine each month – 1 for every 9 marijuana users – and 130,000 people use heroin monthly, or 1 for every 80 regular marijuana users. (click for additional information)
[Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, US Dept. of Health and Human Services, National Household Survey on Drug Use 2000 (Washington, DC: SAMHSA, 2001]"
| quote: | | i agree that the law is a little harsh, but if you dont want to follow the laws of another country, please be prepaired to pay THIER consequenses.. see ya |
A little harsh? More like barbaric and medieval! I think weed should be legal world wide, so I do think that any punishment for possesing weed is wrong, let alone murdering her for the crime.
| quote: | | okay.. you guys are acting like she was dealing candy.. were talking about drugs here.. |
I don't think anyone here doesn't realize what weed is, unlike you most of us feel weed is NO worse than alcohol and thus have a hard time understanding how a culture can put her to death for the possesion of it... Its insanity! |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thor
The majority of the world once thought the earth was flat, even thought at one time the earth was the center of our solar system. But hey majority can't ever be wrong right? lol .. I'm curious of the majority who support capital punishment, how many of those are thinking for themselves like we are, actually reading up about it and making our opinions based on what we learn? Its like it is with elections, people vote for polititians without giving it any thought, its called ignorant masses ;)
The problem is yes no real proof either way, but if you support a system that murders people without hard proof that its very effective I think you are supporting state sponsored murder. Its obvious innocent people have been killed thanks to the USA's racist justice system of the past and somewhat now in the present. The studies that have been done recently in 1999 sponsored by the United Nations show that the death penalty is not a deterrant, your own police chiefs in a poll done in 1996 feel its not a deterrant. Most capital crimes are committed in crimes of passion, heat of the moment...
Put together that innocent people are being killed in an obviously flawed system of missing evidence, police mis-conduct, and a racially biast system, you should at least in the US stop all executions until you can re-examine it very carefully.
No 'scientific' study is required in a legal matter. DNA testing has freed 77 death row inmates since 1970. These facts are just that, FACTS. Just because I linked to the ACLU, which yes is a special interest group; it still however uses facts to fight for its cause not made up numbers.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/15/death.row/
Your capital punishment system is in dis-array right now, killing innocents in a supposedly modern country is shamefull and the rest of the modern world looks down on your country for its behavior. You should be proud to compare your country with others who use capital punishment like Iran, Saudia Arabia and yes Signapore.
Here's a list of fellow capital punishment countries:
Countries which retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes
AFGHANISTAN, ALGERIA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARMENIA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BENIN, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KENYA, KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MAURITANIA, MONGOLIA, MOROCCO, MYANMAR, NIGERIA, NORTH KOREA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SOUTH KOREA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE
All you need to do is look at this list to see one very clear thing, you are in good company ;)
Here's some more facts, from Amnesty international, they may be a interest group, but these are facts neverless.
"10. The Death Penalty in the USA
! 66 prisoners were executed in the USA in 2001, bringing to 749 the total number executed since the use of the death penalty was resumed in 1977.
! Over 3,700 prisoners were under sentence of death as of 1 January 2001.
! 38 of the 50 US states provide for the death penalty in law. The death penalty is also provided under US federal military and civilian law."
"9. Execution of the Innocent
As long as the death penalty is maintained, the risk of executing the innocent can never be eliminated.
Since 1973 more than 90 US prisoners have been released from death row after evidence emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death. Some had come close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death. Recurring features in their cases include prosecutorial or police misconduct; the use of unreliable witness testimony, physical evidence, or confessions; and inadequate defence representation. Other US prisoners have gone to their deaths despite serious doubts over their guilt.
The Governor of the US state of Illinois, George Ryan, declared a moratorium on executions in January 2000. His decision followed the exoneration of the 13th death row prisoner found to have been wrongfully convicted in the state since the USA reinstated the death penalty in 1977. During the same period, 12 other Illinois prisoners had been executed.
Announcing the moratorium, Governor Ryan said: "I cannot support a system which, in its administration, has proven so fraught with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state's taking of innocent life... Until I can be sure that everyone sentenced to death in Illinois is truly guilty, until I can be sure with moral certainty that no innocent man or woman is facing a lethal injection, no one will meet that fate. (Smart man)
"6. The Deterrence Argument
Scientific studies have consistently failed to find convincing evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than other punishments. The most recent survey of research findings on the relation between the death penalty and homicide rates, conducted for the United Nations in 1988 and updated in 1996, concluded: "Research has failed to provide scientific proof that executions have a greater deterrent effect than life imprisonment and such proof is unlikely to be forthcoming. The evidence as a whole still gives no positive support to the deterrent hypothesis..."
(Reference: Roger Hood, The Death Penalty: A World-wide Perspective, Oxford, Clarendon Press, revised edition, 1996, p. 238, paragraph 328)"
"7. Effect of Abolition on Crime Rates
Reviewing the evidence on the relation between changes in the use of the death penalty and crime rates, a study conducted for the United Nations in 1988 and updated in 1996 stated that "the fact that all the evidence continues to point in the same direction is persuasive a priori evidence that countries need not fear sudden and serious changes in the curve of crime if they reduce their reliance upon the death penalty".
Recent crime figures from abolitionist countries fail to show that abolition has harmful effects. In Canada, the homicide rate per 100,000 population fell from a peak of 3.09 in 1975, the year before the abolition of the death penalty for murder, to 2.41 in 1980, and since then it has declined further. In 1999, 23 years after abolition, the homicide rate was 1.76 per 100,000 population, 43 per cent lower than in 1975. The total number of homicides reported in the country fell in 1999 for the third straight year.
(Reference: Roger Hood, The Death Penalty: A World-wide Perspective, Oxford, Clarendon Press, revised edition, 1996, p. 187, paragraph 253)"
You can read all the points at this site:
http://www.web.amnesty.org/rmp/dpli...02568810050f05f!OpenDocument
Join the movement against capital punishment, check out Amnesty International website against the death penalty:
http://www.web.amnesty.org/rmp/dpli.../index?openview
Oh and for the UN study on the world wide death penalty perspective, here's Dr. Roger Hood's BIO and credentials:
http://www.law.ox.ac.uk/hood.htm
Roger Hood is Professor of Criminology, Director of the Centre for Criminological Research and a Fellow of All Souls College.
He obtained his B.Sc. in Sociology from the London School of Economics in 1957 and his Ph.D. from Cambridge University in 1963.
In 1986 he was given the Sellin-Glueck Award for ‘Distinguished International Contributions to Criminology’ by the American Society of Criminology; 1992 he was elected a Fellow of the British Academy and in 1995 appointed CBE ‘for services to the study of criminology’.
He was a research officer at the LSE in 1957-58 and from 1961-63. He then moved to Durham University to be Lecturer in Social Administration at the University of Durham (1963-67). From 1967 to 1973 he was Assistant Director of Research and Director of Post-Graduate Studies at the Institute of Criminology at Cambridge, where he was also a Fellow of Clare Hall.
In 1973 he came to Oxford as the University Reader in Criminology. He has been a member of the Parole Board for England and Wales, of the Judicial Studies Board and of the Departmental Committee to Review the Parole System (1987-88). He has also been consultant to the United Nations on the death penalty and from 1987-89 was President of the British Society of Criminology.
Among his publications are:
Sentencing in Magistrates’ Courts (1962);
Borstal Re-Assessed (1965);
Key Issues in Criminology (with Richard Sparks, 1970);
Sentencing the Motoring Offender (1972);
A History of English Criminal Law and its Administration, vol. 5, The Emergence of Penal Policy (with Sir Leon Radzinowicz 1986);
Race and Sentencing (1992) and
The Death Penalty: a World-wide Perspective (2nd ed. 1996). |
At a time when the world seems to be going to , I thought that it would be interesting to see what happened if I dredged up this post. |
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| sorry didn't bother to read the whole thread, but does anybody know the fate of this girl? |
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