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Male freedom of choice? (pg. 11)
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
no matter the way it is put,anyone who thinks that giving birth to a child should be optional should receive the benefits of free castration. |
fixed to beat the remains of a dead horse. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
i guess. if she's a big fat bitch
and shes ugly
and she's stupid
and the baby looks like a whore |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jansa
Hahaha. Give me a ing break. I have had this discussion with three girls I have ed. Guess what the answer was each and every time? "I do not know." And even if they would have answered that they'd abort, there is no way for me to know if she actually would. What do I do? Sign a contract with her?
It is rediculous to expect someone to know their future decisions, especially if they have no prior experience regarding the subject, and especially on a subject that serious. |
It certainly is NOT ridiculous. You SHOULD know. If you are going to be sexually active, you should consider the possible consequences, and prepare yourself for the time you might need to make that decision.
My boyfriend and I have discussed this, and I KNOW that if I were to get pregnant, I would have an abortion. Not a doubt in my mind. Mind you, we are taking a lot of precaution to NOT have that happen.
ing people are so irresponsible. They go around ing like little rabbits with no care about what might happen, but suddenly they have a ty situation to deal with and all hell breaks loose. If you cannot be an adult about an adult act, then get the out of the bedroom.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Since we are discussing empirical conditions and consequences, it is good to note that many government employees must be paid to track down these men when they skip town. We could, instead, fire those employees and give the tax dollars that would have been their "salaries" directly to the single mother. |
And who cares if the child has a father in their life, right? |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
no matter the way it is put,anyone who thinks that feeding one's own child should be optional should receive the benefits of free castration. |
+1
Which is why I don't support giving up children for adoption, and am otherwise so pro-abortion. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | And who cares if the child has a father in their life, right? |
So now it is not just a matter of financial support, but also one of forcing the man to raise the child he did not choose to have? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| And please, please no more of the "he chose to have the child when he took his pants off." That same inane argument applies to abortion. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
It certainly is NOT ridiculous. You SHOULD know. If you are going to be sexually active, you should consider the possible consequences, and prepare yourself for the time you might need to make that decision. |
But of course, under the current legal system there is still no recourse even if she later changes her mind and decides to carry to term. The man can still be forced to pay.
Nothing but a written contract would be binding. Is that what you are suggesting that people draw up before they have sex? |
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| all-nite-freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
fixed to beat the remains of a dead horse. |
can i beat it with your penetrator 2000:p |
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| Jansa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
It certainly is NOT ridiculous. You SHOULD know. If you are going to be sexually active, you should consider the possible consequences, and prepare yourself for the time you might need to make that decision.
My boyfriend and I have discussed this, and I KNOW that if I were to get pregnant, I would have an abortion. Not a doubt in my mind. Mind you, we are taking a lot of precaution to NOT have that happen.
ing people are so irresponsible. They go around ing like little rabbits with no care about what might happen, but suddenly they have a ty situation to deal with and all hell breaks loose. If you cannot be an adult about an adult act, then get the out of the bedroom. |
Ok, let me give you another example. A girl I am friends with was always absolutely sure that she'd have an abortion. I heard her say that on many occasions. She got pregnant and is now a happy single mother of a little boy.
I'm saying that you can decide and discuss all you want. When the time comes, you might think differently, and there is no way for me to be sure that you wouldn't. And it's common knowledge that pregnant women are not exactly the most rational people. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
can i beat it with your penetrator 2000:p |
maybe tomorrow when i'll be playing the fatherhood roulette again. :o |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
And please, please no more of the "he chose to have the child when he took his pants off." That same inane argument applies to abortion. |
That isn't the argument.
The argument is that he is aware of the possibility of his actions leading to the pregnancy of the woman, and that she thereby holds rights to whether that pregnancy results in a child or not. |
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| Lilith |
Hah, just doing the numbers in my head and I've come to a conclusion why people who earn what I do don't have kids. I'd get a $4000 one off payment to help with medical bills, then I'd get $18,000 a year tax break... out of my staggeringly painful and already stupid amounts of money I pay on my income and property.
I could have the child, but I probably wouldnt be working very much for the next five years which is a 5 figure loss of income annual and I dislike the idea of having someone else raise my child in care.
Erm... once they hit school, I don't really want to send him/her to a public school the income from my job would more or less disappear into paying for that.
hmm, I certainly will not be buying a new car for the next 10 years.
We will get by quite ok in terms of food and housing.
My current partner is still part time at university and working part time, throwing their wages into the mix more or less has neutralised the costs of their tuition for the next 3 years to go.
I pay to keep them in clothes, housed and fed so my spare cash after all that is roughly, that much...
Nope!
We cannot afford a kid on the basis that for the next 3 years I'd be running in the red and racking up debt, assuming that nothing goes amiss and costs me more money, which it would and does.
So, there isnt any threat of mini-Liliths running around anytime soon, because I am already paying for the other little mini-me's running around which have to be supported by the state which in turn is costing me the high taxes. You drop the income taxes down by about 3% in some areas and halve the property tax and I can afford a kid.
Just bloody great... so much for my 'freedom of choice' :mad: |
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