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Chemical Brothers - Hey Boy Hey Girl (Richard Durand remix) - sample included (pg. 7)
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
There are many, many things I disagree with you on here, on almost every level. I think it's a joke to say these producers are improving the tracks by updating the production, I think it's a joke to say that the production is "simplistic" in the majority of the tracks being updated and I especially think it's a joke to imply that Hey Boy, Hey Girl (a track from 1999) is sonically dated enough to require saving by someone like Durand, or else people couldn't stand to listen to it.
It speaks volumes about trance these days that the holy grail of music is cutting edge production (which more often than not sounds like vacuous compared to a lot of the older, more "simplistic" and yet more rewarding stuff), to the extent that producers must constantly update tracks. If these people showed a little more spine and dared to play tracks a whole eight (gasp!) years old, they might find that people will still dance to them because they're ing awesome records, and that modern production values are by no means better, and will sound just as dated as everything else in 20 years.
Now I'm sure that's not what you're saying and so on and so forth, but that's the attitude that's behind these idiotic updates 99 times out of 100. Too many producers and DJs are chasing trends and the result is they're too narrow-minded to consider old records unless they've been glossed up within the past year or two, let alone think it might actually be worth playing records that sound different to the current status quo.
And that, pretty much, sums up why we get so pissed off about this kind of remix. Or that's what pisses me off, at any rate. |
i understand and agree with you on a certain level. and yeah your right, hey boy hey girl is brilliant track and by no means needs updating.. but at the same time i cant see the harm in reworking it into something else, its not really like the original at all is it? its like, some aspects from the original can be enjoyed in a totally different musical context. i think thats part of the beauty of this kind of music. integrating old and new, and reworking familiar ideas and riffs into new styles, there is just so much potential and i dont see the harm in people harnessing it. the fact of the matter is there will always be crap productions, whether or not they are remixes of old tunes. but there is enough music out there to listen to what you enjoy and not listen to what you dont. and thats the point im trying to make. let people do what they want. if someone remixes your tune and u dont like it then kick up a fuss, but until then i dont think its really for you to decide what is and isnt allowed to be remixed. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
yeah fair enough im not saying all reworks and remixes are worth doing. but often they are. and also its totally down to personal preference. it doesnt matter that not everyone agrees on musical taste. what some people may consider to be a total waste of time, many other people may thoroughly enjoy. my point really is that none of you guys have any right to declare what is and is not touchable unless you own the track. there are alot people on this board who believe their judgement on something is absolute and that everyone who disagrees with them is wrong. i think its a shame that a community of people with so much passion and with so much in common are so hung up on the stuff they dont like. i mean some people on here seriously strike me as depressed and angsty, and it just makes so much more sense to enjoy the stuff you like and avoid the stuff you dont. |
Well dude it doesnt really bother me, just, I can understand why people who have been listening to this music for a long time can get upset when their favorite tunes from years back are re-hashed and spit out in whatever cookie-cuttertrendy flaover of the month is doing the rounds at present. Its insulting, to fans of those tracks and the artists who took the time to craft something original and inspiring in them.
I couldn't care less what they do, I dont listen to richard durand tracks much and I dont see DJs who play them either... :p |
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| Shudder |
| its an alright track but nothing amazing.. heard j00f drop it this morning and it seems to go well on the dancefloor. |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Well dude it doesnt really bother me, just, I can understand why people who have been listening to this music for a long time can get upset when their favorite tunes from years back are re-hashed and spit out in whatever cookie-cuttertrendy flaover of the month is doing the rounds at present. Its insulting, to fans of those tracks and the artists who took the time to craft something original and inspiring in them.
I couldn't care less what they do, I dont listen to richard durand tracks much and I dont see DJs who play them either... :p |
well that sort of attitude is what this place needs. people dont really have any reason to be offended unless they produced the track. i mean what possible reason can they have? because someone is suggesting that their taste in music is out of date by reworking a track they like into something new? well if thats the case then just look at how many times a day these people belittle other peoples tastes in music. they dish out as much insult and belittlement as they get back. if not more. |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Well dude it doesnt really bother me, just, I can understand why people who have been listening to this music for a long time can get upset when their favorite tunes from years back are re-hashed and spit out in whatever cookie-cuttertrendy flaover of the month is doing the rounds at present. Its insulting, to fans of those tracks and the artists who took the time to craft something original and inspiring in them.
I couldn't care less what they do, I dont listen to richard durand tracks much and I dont see DJs who play them either... :p |
basically im all for a bit of a debate and people expressing different opinions but people need to cheer up a bit and stop taking things so personally. i havnt really been on these forums much lately but ive come back and read some bits and pieces and its like listening to a bunch of moaning depressed school kids. just dont really see the point, cheer up and stop being so sensitive about stuff! anyway i think ill leave it at that for today because ive got some stuff to finish off. goodnight all! |
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| smakmagik |
believe me, some dj dropping the original in the middle of a set would rock my socks far more than this piece of .
and that makes me question the motives behind famous dj's actually playing out durand's remixes. i have nothing against him making them, its his life, his choices, and if he incorrectly assumes that he's 'breathing fresh life' into a classic, its his problem
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what does irk me is that even though it is such a bad remix, along with hios remixes of smbu and lethal industry, it gets so much publicity and is included in radioshows and livesets of so many dj's. can't they see that it's an insult to the original? would it not work for them that even though a new remix is out, they still revive some memories and play out the original instead?
he s making money out a crap remix, and it isn't just because of a segment of the audience, its largely because of big name dj's who continue to play his . someone mentioned joof playing this one.
shocking. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by smakmagik
believe me, some dj dropping the original in the middle of a set would rock my socks far more than this piece of .
and that makes me question the motives behind famous dj's actually playing out durand's remixes. i have nothing against him making them, its his life, his choices, and if he incorrectly assumes that he's 'breathing fresh life' into a classic, its his problem
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what does irk me is that even though it is such a bad remix, along with hios remixes of smbu and lethal industry, it gets so much publicity and is included in radioshows and livesets of so many dj's. can't they see that it's an insult to the original? would it not work for them that even though a new remix is out, they still revive some memories and play out the original instead?
he s making money out a crap remix, and it isn't just because of a segment of the audience, its largely because of big name dj's who continue to play his . someone mentioned joof playing this one.
shocking. |
The offending remixes in question - SMBY & HBHG are not even released.
Richard Durand already has a hectic touring schedule as... G-SPOTT.
So i'm not sure exactly how you calculate he is making money from these releases. Maybe developing a larger name for himself in the 'credible' scene as opposed to just pop-dance which is his niche as G-Spott. |
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| RebeL9 |
| J00F is playing the Silver Surfer bootleg and not this crap. He's been playing it for quite a while now. |
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| DJ_Eternal |
I'm all for updating the classic tracks, as long as it adds something to the original that was.
I can see why some people would get offended Mike, afterall, these are the classics that defined their passion in trance music, and useless remixes are stepping all over that.
I've also thought thay a minority of remixes from Tyas and Durand have been passable, and something i would play out to add something to my sets if necessary. It seems like Tatana is also joining the PR Bandwagon.
The majority of these releases are guys trying to raise their profiles and make that little extra $$$, which is fine by me, but part of the blame should also be directed at the labels responsible for taking some of the sh$t on in the first place.
It's all about the cha-ching for the some of the guys in the industry now. |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If these people showed a little more spine and dared to play tracks a whole eight (gasp!) years old, they might find that people will still dance to them because they're ing awesome records, and that modern production values are by no means better, and will sound just as dated as everything else in 20 years.
Too many producers and DJs are chasing trends and the result is they're too narrow-minded to consider old records unless they've been glossed up within the past year or two, let alone think it might actually be worth playing records that sound different to the current status quo.
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Agreed. If people focused more on the music rather than on what's hot at the moment, there wouldn't be any need to release a piece of like this.
These updates are a result of lack of artistic creativity, of how people treat a song more like a business article than a piece of art and that's why I would take any average, boring, yet original production over any of these bombastic reworks.
Plus considering there are already the same ideas being rehashed over and over again in trance music, this isn't helping it's condition at all. |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
J00F is playing the Silver Surfer bootleg and not this crap. He's been playing it for quite a while now. |
he played that here in 2005, i thought it was alright :toothless
it's by dino psaras isn't it? |
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| Jeremy H |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
J00F is playing the Silver Surfer bootleg and not this crap. He's been playing it for quite a while now. |
Whoa! I heard J00F play an unknown remix/bootleg of this track in feb 2005 and I could never figure out any ID on it. Might be this one! Going to check it out right away :) |
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