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'Ghetto Dude'.... overreaction by the media? (pg. 8)
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| Provocative_boi |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Yeah well racist comment or not, dude (lol) didn't have to act like a nigger about and cry victim. Yeah I ing said it. |
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| Silky Johnson |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
if he were white it would defeat my argument.
as for being a 905er, explain to me the negative connotation in the statement first then we can figure out what the 'slight' is. |
Many times being called a 905er by torontonians can mean that they are simple, unsofisticated, hicks. Not always but sometimes.
So, anyone being called "ghetto dude" is racist as long as hes not white? WOW. And whos being the racist here?
For the record, i know of a lot of white guys that id probably call ghetto dude. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
For the record, i know of a lot of white guys that id probably call ghetto dude. |
Yup...low income housing also attracks...poor white people, imagine that! |
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| dEsidEL |
pray you have a unique name .. cuz Aileen Siu is apparently now racist
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Facebook user caught in 'ghetto dude' backlash
July 27, 2007
Nicholas Keung
STAFF REPORTER
What's in a name, especially a tarnished name?
While the Internet has miraculously reconnected lost friends and family, it can also create the kind of nightmare in which you are misidentified, branded a racist and have your photograph circulated all over the virtual world.
Ask Toronto's Aileen Siu.
Not the Ontario cabinet staffer who fell into disrepute after using the term "ghetto dude" in an email – and mistakenly sending it to the young black job applicant to whom she was referring.
This Aileen Siu is a graduate in tourism and business at Ryerson University and works for a private company. She isn't remotely related to the other Aileen, who left her job at Queen's Park on Monday (whether by firing or resignation isn't clear).
But all this week she's been frantically trying to get bloggers and website hosts to repair her reputation and take her Facebook photo off their sites.
"I do not work in the cabinet and just because I have the same name as the person in the newspaper, that doesn't mean it's me," said Siu, 25. "I do not appreciate my name being tarnished because of some other person's mistake.
"There are many people with the exact name and it wouldn't be right to target everyone with that name."
Siu said she didn't give it much thought when she heard about the other Aileen and her email to applicant Evon Reid in last weekend's Toronto Star. "We just happened to have the same name," she mused then.
But by Monday, when friends and relatives began calling her family about it, she knew she was in trouble. Her Facebook account had garnered more than 30 nasty emails, and bloggers were posting a photo and personal profile lifted from it in chat rooms.
"My sister and the other Aileen are about the same age, both from Toronto," said her infuriated older sister, Wan-ling, one of three children born in Canada to immigrant parents from Hong Kong.
"People see that and think that she's the one, saying she's a racist, which is absolutely not true."
Online writers have labelled her with slurs of their own and compared her to a pet dog in her photo. "Who's the asian chick with aileen? sorry. couldn't resist," wrote one.
Friends have pitched in online to defend the innocent Aileen.
"If my friend was actually that person, I would not defend her at all," wrote one. "So please consider what I have said and remove the picture."
And at least one person who knows the cabinet Siu stood up for the Ryerson grad on a blog. "I happen to know the Aileen that everyone is talking about," wrote "Lana."
"And although I can't say I'd like to see her picture posted up here, I don't feel right allowing people to comment on the face of an innocent girl who happens to have the same name."
Siu's mother, Kathy, said police have told the family there's nothing they can do.
"My daughter is an angel," sighed the retired office administrator, who chose the name Aileen from a baby-name book. It's Irish-Gaelic and means "light-bearer."
"We gave her a joyful name and wanted her to shine. But now her halo is dimmed because of this (mistaken identity)."
Siu is a very giving person who travelled to the Dominican Republic last year with luggage full of clothes, stationery and books for needy kids, he mother said. "She is so innocent and is paying the price for someone else's mistake."
Siu quickly removed her Facebook account and has succeeded in getting some sites to delete her picture, hoping more will follow suit.
"The Internet does do wonderful things," said Wan-ling. "But it's also very dangerous. People have to be careful what they put on it.
"You don't know these people who are searching on the Internet and how they are using your information. This is a good example of what could happen."
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http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/240425
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| Cro_Addict |
On topic...
I don't believe that "Ghetto Dude" is a racist term. I will go so far to say that it is not even a discriminatory term.
Distinguishing people based on individual merit is hardly discrimination. To be discriminated against you have to be treated differently due to a possession of a legally protected attribute (ie. sex, age, race, religion, etc..)
"Ghetto Dude" hardly falls under any of the above categories.
Also on topic...
| quote: | | Based on my resumé I deserved to be called.... |
Talk about this guy being self-centered. He might not be ghetto, but he is an egotistical prick! |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Many times being called a 905er by torontonians can mean that they are simple, unsofisticated, hicks. Not always but sometimes.
So, anyone being called "ghetto dude" is racist as long as hes not white? WOW. And whos being the racist here?
For the record, i know of a lot of white guys that id probably call ghetto dude. |
those are some interesting connotations, none of which have the sort of biting edge that being called a "ghetto" does.
the connotation of being ghetto doesn't exactly initially scream "white person".
Good try, but no I'm not racist, just being realistic. I think I am actually arguing on the side of placing blame and stereotyping in the hands of those at fault.
and I am well aware that all people DO live in government/ghetto housing, I have lived in Scarborough my entire life. Generally, people use "white trash" for white people living in ghettos. |
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| Cro_Addict |
Now THIS GIRL!...SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO MILK IT! I would support her if she was to file a lawsuit! |
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| Zentac_75 |
I disagree that "ghetto dude" is a racist comment (many people of all races wear the term ghetto like a badge of honour, like they are survivers of a japanese internment camp).
It is discriminatory. It's like calling someone poor and uncivilized. Whether the comment is valid or not, it is innapropriate to discriminate against someone based on their social class.
I believe it is counter-productive to reward someone for being discriminated against. Compensation is appropriate but only in more severe circumstances.
In this instance, I do not even feel that the woman meant to discriminate. She just didn't like the guy and made thoughtless flippant remark. She was careless. Now she has no job and if she doesn't find one, may end up being called 'ghetto' herself.
Meanwhile 'ghetto dude' has offers falling out of his ass and is on his way to not being 'ghetto'.
*always triple check your CCs* |
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| Deam |
While the reaction itself may have been overboard, I do find it funny that some are so easily able to rationalize away the fact that it was a derogatory comment. In the context of how it was used, you can honestly say that when you read "ghetto dude" in the paper, you did not know what the person was referring too?
Imagine if you were Italian, for example, and you got an email from a potential employer (let alone the government) that said "here's the mobster dude I was talking about". I think I would be a bit upset. If it was from a regular employer, there's not much you can do. From the government? You've now seen what can be done.
Admittedly, discusing the issue here may be not be very meaningful given that others may not really care, or are racist and derogatory (or jokingly so) themselves with such as:
"Yeah the issue here is that this dumb is acting like a Jew about the whole thing"
On a different note, it does suck about that woman on facebook. People can be really ignorant and hot headed, such that they forget that its possible to have the same name as someone else, or don't even bother to make sure they have the right person before ripping them apart and making comments about their photos. |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deam
While the reaction itself may have been overboard, I do find it funny that some are so easily able to rationalize away the fact that it was a derogatory comment. In the context of how it was used, you can honestly say that when you read "ghetto dude" in the paper, you did not know what the person was referring too?
Imagine if you were Italian, for example, and you got an email from a potential employer (let alone the government) that said "here's the mobster dude I was talking about". I think I would be a bit upset. If it was from a regular employer, there's not much you can do. From the government? You've now seen what can be done. |
yyyyyuup....to all of it^^^^
Somehow the rationalizers end up sounding as whiny as the whiners they are complaining about. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| I don't understand why ppl are getting so worked up about the fact that some of us DO NOT find the phrase derogatory? stop shoving it down our throats! |
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