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New Pioneer mixer : DJM-700 (pg. 5)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJChrisB
Very true. If you consider how much R&D goes into a top-of-the line mixer and how many units they really plan to sell (there is, after all, a very small market for high-end DJ mixers), the price makes sense from a business stand point. They have to make enough profit to make it worth their while to continue to fund and develop new products. Don't get me wrong, their products are very expensive and cost prohibitive to many folks, but not unjustified. |
While I agree that R&D can be very expensive at times(new products/technology) being an electronics engineer myself, but you're completely wrong on the financial side of things. Think about it. In the UK alone, when pioneer brings out even a top price mixer (i.e. the 800) they'll shift a thousand units easily in the first few months at £1000 a pop. Do the math 1000 x 1000 = very worth while for any company. Again that's just in the UK. There is actually quite a large market for high end DJ mixers, if you get it right. Allen and Heath have added a good few million to their annual bottom line by manufacturing Dj mixers, and most of them cost £500+.
also R&D isn't expensive when you already have the technology - i.e. when you have an existing model (800) and want to do another cut down version (700).
I'm beginning to think that pioneer are trying to flood the market at every price bracket to kill off other manufacturers. I still think the 800 is not that great and 600 never was. |
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| Freak |
Milk that cash cow.....
:rolleyes:
Pile of e- along with the 800 (yes I said it- deal with it) and that god awful 600 thing.
Lets just say I have played on, installed, uninstalled, and had to fix/deal with more diva djs demands in a professional capacity than most people- so have the luxury of being able to say that.
No doubt it will become a heavy fixture on most Djs riders along with the current 800....bound to happen sadly. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
Milk that cash cow.....
:rolleyes:
Pile of e- along with the 800 (yes I said it- deal with it) and that god awful 600 thing.
Lets just say I have played on, installed, uninstalled, and had to fix/deal with more diva djs demands in a professional capacity than most people- so have the luxury of being able to say that.
No doubt it will become a heavy fixture on most Djs riders along with the current 800....bound to happen sadly. |
+1 (both for the opinion and professional experience).
It's one of those things unfortunately and it's all down to marketing but the more people who figure this out the more chance we have of getting better equipment from manufacturers (hopefully). |
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| epdarks |
| Looks like it has a switch for linear faders? Does the 800 have that? |
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| DJChrisB |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Do the math 1000 x 1000 = very worth while for any company. |
Dude, that is nothing. That is the retail price which is significantly above what Pioneer actually receives as income. Considering research, manufacturing, and distribution costs, that does not leave all that much of a bottom line. All I am saying is that all things considered, the price that Pioneer charges for a DJM-800 is justified. |
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| dJohn |
| While we're on the topic of inferior second grade clones, lets not forget about the 909 and 707. |
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| Soundwerks |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I just wish I could find a superb quality 4 channel mixer with kills and curve control. Discontinued PMC 55. Why vestax?, why? :( |
ECLER NUO4 maybe? EQ kills, curve control and reverse on all faders....etc....
As for the DJM-700, its nothing revolutionary, but it does seem to be a good replacement for the DJM-600 I guess. I think MAP is $1300, whereas MAP for the DJM-800 is $1550.... |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by Progress Ent.
And BTW.....I happen to work for one of the largest electronics companies in the world, one that is about 635X bigger than Pioneer.....literally. And lets just say I have a very in depth knowledge of R&D, new product launches, and pricing strategy..... |
Well I bet the big cheeses at Pio are just kicking themselves that they never hired you. And when the 700 fails to net them any cash you can just sit there smugly, because you knew better!
I just think it's preposterous that we're all sat here slagging Pio's strategy when the fact is that they never got to where they are now because of poor product release decisions in the past. It may not make sense to you as a consumer, but then neither does the CDJ1000 at that price to me, yet I still went out and brought two. Pioneer is a business, which means that they'll do whatever they can to make money, and it's got sod all to do with what you or I want really.
Pioneer have created the market place, and they can put new products into it with the confidence that the reputation they've built for themselves over many years will lead to a demand for that product.
Supply and demand, plain and simple. Although I'm sure you knew that - since your company is 635 times bigger than Pioneer's.
Jarv |
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| tubby |
msrp = 1299 and 1699 for the 800. Cannot compare street price on one to msrp on another.
it's a fair bit cheaper than the 800, with a few less features. if those features are worth the extra, buy an 800.
I cannot figure why this mixer bothers folks so much. If you don't like it, buy something else. if you liked the easy to use layout of the 600, and hated the soudn quality (which seems to cover pretty much every complaint on the 600), the 700 seemns to make sense if you cannot afford the 800. |
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| MERiDiAN5i2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
No it IS a digital 24/96 mixer. It's right there in the specs.
I just doesn't have digital inputs (SPDIF's) on the back, just as the DJM-400 is a digital mixer and doesn't have SPDIF inputs either.
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Who the hell would buy a digital mixer without digital ins? so they can go through a whole extra A/D-D/A conversion sequence just to loose some fidelity?
Digital mixers = absolutely pointless if you are feeding an analog audio signal into it.
Pioneer needs to stop putting out overpriced, overhyped mixers that lure in suckers with silly effects and digital mixing buses that do nothing helpful.
I think when Pioneer designed the DJM500, 600, and 3000, and then realized they couldn't build an analog audio circuit that sounds good, they had to go digital lest they put out another mixer that sounds like crap. They should just get out of the DJ industry, considering A&H, Vestax, Rane, Ekler, and Urei are all very capable of building a proper analog audio circuit, for less cash than Pioneer. |
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| Ryan0751 |
Hey I'm in agreement, was just pointing out that it's still digital :)
The Denon DN-X1500 is similar, digital mixer with no digital inputs.
I guess the nice part about doing it that way is a very clean signal path, and the ability to do all sorts of crazy things with routing the sound inside the mixer using the DSP's.
Agree with your statement though, and that's why I now have a Rane MP2016. No frills, brillant mixer, and a little more than a DJM-800.
| quote: | Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
Who the hell would buy a digital mixer without digital ins? so they can go through a whole extra A/D-D/A conversion sequence just to loose some fidelity?
Digital mixers = absolutely pointless if you are feeding an analog audio signal into it.
Pioneer needs to stop putting out overpriced, overhyped mixers that lure in suckers with silly effects and digital mixing buses that do nothing helpful.
I think when Pioneer designed the DJM500, 600, and 3000, and then realized they couldn't build an analog audio circuit that sounds good, they had to go digital lest they put out another mixer that sounds like crap. They should just get out of the DJ industry, considering A&H, Vestax, Rane, Ekler, and Urei are all very capable of building a proper analog audio circuit, for less cash than Pioneer. |
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| Progress Ent. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
Well I bet the big cheeses at Pio are just kicking themselves that they never hired you. And when the 700 fails to net them any cash you can just sit there smugly, because you knew better!
I just think it's preposterous that we're all sat here slagging Pio's strategy when the fact is that they never got to where they are now because of poor product release decisions in the past. It may not make sense to you as a consumer, but then neither does the CDJ1000 at that price to me, yet I still went out and brought two. Pioneer is a business, which means that they'll do whatever they can to make money, and it's got sod all to do with what you or I want really.
Pioneer have created the market place, and they can put new products into it with the confidence that the reputation they've built for themselves over many years will lead to a demand for that product.
Supply and demand, plain and simple. Although I'm sure you knew that - since your company is 635 times bigger than Pioneer's.
Jarv |
It's funny how I when I follow up your smart ass "and that's why you don't work for Pioneer" response, I again get a smart ass response.....somehow I knew that was coming.... |
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